F-22 (Raptor) attacked a Russian attack aircrafts Su-25

The United States spent trillions on bombs and shells so that the bastards in the Pentagon and the defense industry could buy more drugs, whores and alcohol.

 

I heard about it but I don't trust it. The main argument was that the americans were not ready on purpose. But that was not their wish. The carriers appeared to be out of the base due to different reasons which are impossible to invent. The commanders were informed about the war, but they didn't expect such a swift attack. Roosvelt really used Pearl Harbor to unite the nation and enter the war against the wish of isolationists, but it doesn't mean that he set up his fleet on purpose.

Japanese suspected that americans know their code. They were not sure. So their messages were not read freely. For instance the message about attack of Midway (not Hawai) was not received but interpreted. And interpreted correctly. So americans had an advantage. But still it required a lot from them to overcome Japanese pilots and seamen.

 

I use to have some nice conversation with Swedish women on IRC, Swedish men, not so much. Dishonesty seems to be a problem with at least some of them.

Even if German uranium was used, how is that Germany technology? Is Google translations screwing things up for you? You keep making excuses for Sweden helping the German war effort. Do you have some fascistisk in your family history?

 

Sweden was very much anti-Soviet. Thousands of volunteers enlisted in the German Army to fight against the Soviets in Finland. Finland, with a large minority of Swedish-speaking citizens, are considered our cousins.

BY THE WAY - We have never been anti-German. We didn't like the Nazis very much and considered it a great burden on the German population. Furthermore, when the Wehrmacht had its back against the North Sea with the Soviet Army just an inch away from decimating every last one of them .... the Wehrmacht escaped by sailing to Sweden ..... thinking they were "home free". We would have accepted them as beaten refugees, but they landed on Swedish soil in military formation and marching as a fighting force ready to get back into the fray ASAP. So we arrested them all and sent them back into the waiting arms of the Soviet Army who dealt with the Nazis in their own way. Only a handful of those Germans every got back home again.

So don't give me any crap about Sweden being pro-Nazi. We were pro-German, but never pro-Nazi.

 

Given the amount of money involved it seems impossible to believe but the money is not getting to the troops in the fisld

Too many aircraft cannot fly for lack of maintance

Ships that we need are in mothballs because the personel level is too low

If we have to fight a major war some Americans will die unnecessarily because our margin of superiority has slipped

 

True

The chinese and russians are our enemies because they are preparing for war with America

When the shooting starts even you will see the truth

 

We did not lose the war in the field where we slaughtered the communists

We lost it in America and a democrat controlled congress that cut off defense funds to the anti communisy South Vietnamese government

But we won the struggle to stop communist expansion in SE Asia by exhausting the communist war machine

We spent a lot of money on the war but our economy was big enough to hanle it

In proportion to their economy the communist bloc spent just as much if not more

They were not ready to do it all over again in Thailand or Burma so in that sense the war was a success for us

 

Hide yourself under the table! Russia can attack at any moment! Spies of the KGB are everywhere!

 

I take it you're about 12 years old, no use debating you. You still ignore the FACT raw materials do not equal technology. U-234 was captured three months before the first bomb was dropped, most likely not enough time to convert it. And the entire supply was only enough to produce 1/5 of a bomb. Now go back to whatever fantasy you live in and look through your rose colored glasses and ignore the fact your country helped the German war effort.

 

The Americans had Midway send a message in the clear that their desalination system was down and they were short of fresh water. A message from Japan to their fleet informed them of this problem using their code name for Midway which confirmed the attack and allowed the Americans to set the trap.

 

But it is still an interpretation. You got the lines and can read the message, but understanding it is a problem. Hawai was considered as the aim by some officers and the linguist thought that it was Midway. The commander decided to trust the linguist. I read about it long ago and haven't memorized all the names.

 

Germans and east Europeans do make decent sweets and beverages.

That's quite a built, Sobo, but watch out for sedentarism - many squat, obese people have such "before" pictures. Remember to eat some green stuff between two platters of sausage.

 

I very much doubt Speer had any deep or useful insight to the Nazi atom bomb project, despite his title as Minister for Armaments and War Production.

The man to ask is (or rather was) SS Obergruppenfuhrer Hans Kammler who was in charge of Nazi secret weapons projects and was personally put in charge of the race for nuclear weapons by Hitler and answerable only to him.

Oddly, Kammler disappeared at the end of WWII.

The Brits never did know - for certain - what happened to Kammler. They searched for him and had suspicions about his disappearance, but nothing positive.

German documentary film maker ZDF broadcast a film in Germany a couple of years ago (2015, as I recall) titled The Search For Hitler's Atomic Bomb. It was, for a short while available on Youtube but is no longer there. The documentary goes on to reveal that work on the Nazi atom bomb was centred on the Jonas Valley in Thuringia. According to ZDF, US files related to the work that took place in the Jonas Valley had a 100 year secrecy order placed on them. The documentary maker say that two atom bomb tests were carried out in that location and back this up with two intelligence reports from the Soviet Union.

What is interesting however, is that Nazi atomic bomb research turned up in Patagonia, Argentina just after the end of WWII. Parts of Patagonia became a stronghold of Nazi's who had fled justice from the Nuremberg trials.

 

Its a fact that we often misspend the defense dollars we have

And our soldiers will pay the price in blood during future military conflicts

 

Many years ago I read a book by John Toland, "Infamy" was the name. It's a historical account of events leading up to the war with Japan. He makes a good case for the idea that the Pearl Harbor attack was not really a surprise, messages got delayed or lost that would have given a heads up. I think he believed that Roosevelt allowed it to happen to get us into the war. It's an interesting account of the era and our relationship with Japan and the negotiations that failed. Toland lived in Japan, was married to a Japanese wife and seemed to have good insight into both sides.

 

Was it there the lines about 'the radio waves which couldn't get to the recipient because of the bad weather"? I think it is much easier. It is a general stupidity and wrong expectations. I saw a lot of guys who were thought to be good fighters, but their only strength was that they were the first ones to hit. The one who starts gets an advantage. This is why it is culturally supposed unfair to make wars without actual declaration.

As for Japan I bet that because of their geographical position and resources available they are doomed to start wars with a sudden attack of the main military port of their strongest rival. It was so in 1905 and it remained so in 1941 and it would be so until the situation won't change.

 

Yes, the Russians and Chinese have America surrounded with hundreds of military bases bristling with offensive weapons just waiting to invade it.

On the other hand...



Below is an extract from the Wolfowitz Doctrine (named after Paul Wolfowitz) that became the US military and geopolitical doctrine for the next century (this one). It's language prior to it being toned down and made more palatable is instructive:

It all sounds awfully like the lord and master of the world telling the serfs what they are allowed to do and not do, and what will happen to them if they step out of line.

Just the sort of thing that ensures serfs will step out of line...

(my bolding)

 

I think it is well documented that spotters (by radar) had reported the Japanese were on the way but that it was treated as "not being possible" ..... "has to be a mistake". Besides that, even at the time people believed that FDR wanted to go to war but needed an excuse.

 

I realize it isn't proof of anything but sometimes you just need to listen to the two parties involved. Have you ever listened to Putin? His logic far surpasses the general American nonsense. It's like explaining the REASON for a car crash:

Why did it crash? Putin: "The brakes were clearly faulty."
Why did it crash? America: "Yeah well, you know how those European-made cars are. "

 

Well, one's got to admit that among english-speaking peoples, Yanks cook the tastier foods. There's a rich (yeah) american tradition of barbeque meats, sauces, and seafoods. New Jersey pizza is the best in the world.

Not exactly healthy, refined cuisine, but in their own domain, they're second to none.

 

Robert Stinnett's book Day of Deceit is also a decent read.

Yes, I have watched him a couple of times. By and large I think he is far smarter than most of the politicians (of any party or persuasion) in the US or Europe who imo are largely bought and paid for by interest groups, lobbies and corporations - and for whom I have zero respect.

But then Putin was an analyst for the KGB, so you would expect clarity and an analytical mind. I find much the same grasp of detail and clarity with Ray McGovern the founder of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity). He was a top analyst for the CIA and is now a fierce critic of American foreign policy. Ditto William Binney, a retired top notcher in the NSA, who is also a VIPS man.

 

Agreed.

It's like I was saying, "It doesn't prove anything", but in that little analogy, you get a sensible answer from one and a non-answer from the other. So if that's all we have to choose from then I know which way I am going. I listen to the details and stop to check every step of the way and let's face it, so far we have superlative exclamations about Russia or China or Iran or North Korea - all of them poised to take over the world but on the other hand, we have the map of NATO bases and non-existent WMD's that discredit the "cry wolf" scenario very soundly. All we are left with is logic and it seems to be going only one way.

 

How do you suppose on "reunifying" with citizens of former USSR? Define "reunify"?
Wait you mean by invasion and protecting those so called "russian speakers" in Georgia, Ukraine, etc, yes I see now).
Somehow I doubt that, since most of those republics have moved on,broke off the chains of tyranny, joined EU, Nato, flushed down the toilet the wonderful virtues of the failed ideology of what was the USSR,.
I think everyone knows what Russia's idea of friends is, that's why the left the neighborhood, or are actively trying.

 

That secret agreement was operation paperclip, we got moon landings, Abomb, infrared, etc.

The Russians got operation Osoaviakhim, their version of paperclip.
They got AK47, Abomb, Sputnik, tabun&sarin gas. Their entire poison gas program was built from German scientists.

 

A nuke is very complex. If its hit by a flak it gets ripped apart and thats it.

As i said a Flak offers very effective amd cost neutral ways to deal with this issue. In case of nuclear attack i guess we would use whatever we have additional. We do have rockets to intercept but those would not be used for common aircrafts.