Why do you believe in God ?

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  1. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    Shrinks have more problems than those they try to convince of having a problem. Hint.
     
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    Is this comment derived from personal experience with your problems?
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But the stories science makes up defies logic. Science once agreed that the sun was pulled by a chariot and you worship science as though it were infallible. You said I claimed proof and I asked you to cite a post claiming proof. I'm still waiting for you to verify your accusation.
     
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    Did you lie? Are you a liar? Will you ignore these questions like you have the others because you can't cover your rhetoric.
     
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    Obviously you didn't get the hint.
     
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    When did I ever claim proof. Another atheist without reading comprehension skills. There is a ton of evidence, none that you would accept but then you're not the judge so who cares? You have a theory and I have a theory - prove your theory and I'll prove mine.
    You're the one playing with definitions. To you evidence = proof, when in fact it doesn't. In the case of creation, the scientific theories
    and suppositions don't even offer any proof, just pie in the sky stab in the dark guesses that requires faith to believe in.
    If you want to end the conversation, just back out of the thread. This site is dedicated to conversation so why are you here?
     
  7. Arjay51

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    Obviously you tried to say something that was opposite to the truth, which it seems is seldom recognized by you, in an effort to insult. You certainly do not lie it when your insults are turned around on you and you can't defend against them.

    Hint: grow up.
     
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    I am attempting to have a conversation, unlike you who has to attack any who call you on your BS. BTW, have you ever read the definition of "theory"?

    It does not take itself as p[roof of anything, just a possible explanation of an occurrence. All of your alleged "evidence" has no proof and is just fairy gas in the wind.

    Since all you have is a constant attack mode when you are shown to be wrong, the one who actually should leave is you and let the adults in the forum have a conversation.
     
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    I thought you wanted to end the conversation, in fact you said so.
    No one has shown me to be wrong. I did make one mistake when I said scientific theory doesn't have any proof. Of course it doesn't. What I meant to say was that scientific creation theory doesn't have any evidence. Now you're lashing out like a child with it's feelings hurt.
     
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    When you are caught in a fabrication you react as expected.

    Trying your best to make yourself look reasonable, which you are most definitely not, and having access to some proof that you admit does not exist.

    You are very confused.

    BTW, I suggested that you leave the conversation, not that I would. Your fantasy is showing again.
     
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    You're not in the conversation and I think someone needs a nap.
     
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    Well then, take your nap as you seem to be delusional on this subject.
     
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    And I've seen spirits and have had many paranormal experiences. And I'm far from alone. People have seen spirits, millions of them, since man learned to write. All of those eye witness accounts constitute evidence. A blind person has an NDE and reports what he saw going on in the OR. The doctors and nurses confirm the accuracy of the account. Malachy Martin, an exorcist, has video recordings of demonic levitation, and people, he likes to recruit off duty policemen to restrain the possessed, who have witnessed these events. Believe what you will but the thread title is 'Why do you believe in God'. The thread title isn't 'Why do you disbelieve in God'. So I'm telling you why I do.
     
  14. Renee

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    I agree...millions of people have had hallucinations. Doesn’t have anything to do with god. Very often chemical reactions like when people die and see the light
     
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    Yes and some of those hallucinations end up being life changing inventions. Tesler had a vision, a download, or IYO, a hallucination, which was so detailed he used it for an invention.

    Consciousness is still the hard problem, and as long as it remains so, you are only assuming something. That various experiences are hallucinations. Of course, you will never admit you are making an assumption, but then again, you probably think that philosophical materialism is not an assumption, when indeed it is. I think a bit of arrogant ignorance is involved with many of you materialists. Not intelligent enough to recognize when something is nothing more than an assumption, which turned into dogma.

    If something cannot be measured, presently, then it does not exist. Only that which can be measured exists. Another assumption.
     
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    You believe in a "wonderful created universe" while others do not. Yet you claim to be correct while others say you are not.

    Seems merely a matter of opinion since neither side has actual proof.
     
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    Why do so many believe in only one god?

    BTW, exclude me from that group as I don't believe there is even one god.
     
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    You claim proof by claiming your belief to be the only true belief. Another theist with comprehension skills.

    There actually is no evidence, just what you have decided to claim as evidence without the backing of truth.

    In point of fact, no one knows why anything is here. All claims are just "pie in the sky" guesses. Some have more weight than others, but to believe merely because you wish to is not one of them with any weight.

    I note that you are getting desperate, desiring others that disagree with you to leave the conversation. Perhaps you are looking at the wrong people who should leave.
     
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    Those who have picked one of these "Gods" to believe in will do so regardless of any available opposing data or compulsion as the belief has become ingrained. This is something of a mental conditioning combined with social and cultural pressures making any rational debate impossible and communication terribly limited.
     
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    It’s a need
     
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    Religious faith also fulfills an almost universal emotional need amongst homo sapiens. I believe this emotional entrenchment is the foundation that underpins the intellectual and social "conditioning" of dogmatic religious belief.
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    The curse of our sapience is awareness of our own mortality. We have continually invented dogmatic belief systems in what happens to "me" upon death and every damn one of them promises transcendence of "me" in one form or another.

    OTOH, there are those that believe that "me" is merely an ephemeral organic manifestation of recycled star stuff that is all too soon recycled into star stuff once again.
     
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    I do not buy into the perceptual reality of a male dominator god.
     
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    There are also those that accept they do not know one way or another and simply live this life questioning in a belief they will gain further understanding. These individuals often rebel against being told what to believe as it seems a negative.
     
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    I believe in the original god, the creator of the universe, but admit God easily has a family supporting him. We would call those gods. But not gods of thunder nor some god with 18 arms and legs.
     
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    Have you any belief at all in the universe?
     

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