The Heart of the 2nd Amendment

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  1. danielpalos

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    There should be no security problems in our free States.
     
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    From what I read, the highest round seen in civilian use is 120mm round which is common in most tanks.
     
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    2A doesn't require regulation of a damn thing. Any required regulation of the militia is specified in federal statutes or in state law.
     
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    He defeats his self :)
     
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    You can run but you cant hide the facts :)
     
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    So why was Alexander Hamilton, one of the Founders, killed in a duel with a privately owned firearm? Did Hamilton not understand the 2nd as well as you? You folks are unbelievable...
     
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    Yes. History has several examples.
     
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    Also probably not a good idea to give government functionaries access to weapons of war with which they could overthrow the legitimate system of government. Given that they have demonstrated a desire to subjugate their fellow man through force, they would seem the ones who most should be prevented from accessing weapons or war or controlling those who do.
     
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    The 2A doesn't restrict anything...it simply only protects gun rights insofar as they relate to the militia...
     
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    A. Regulars ...at the time...referred to organized military forces. In fact when Paul Revere made his famous ride...he actually said "The Regulars are coming".

    B. The militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it describes a force with training andrank and rolls and officers.. A Well regulated Militia
     
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    Hamilton, "took it for the team", in order to show the right wing is simply, full of fallacy.
     
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    No, they aren't. Only the right wing has reading comprehension issues regarding the general welfare and the common defense.
     
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    What about town, city, county, and State militia?

    Let's petition State governors to authorize their civil subordinates.
     
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    regulation: 1) a law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct.
    2) the act of regulating or the state of being regulated.​

    Your fake definition fails. The level of gun carnage confirms that.

    Your pretending that the "well-regulated" specified in the Second Amendment does not require a regulator - ultimately, the American People through their elected representatives - ignores the reality of the obscene frequency of firearm massacres in the United States, far exceeding all other advanced nations.

    It is clearly not "'well-functioning' or working in proper order."
     
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    Any pretense that the 2nd Amendment guarantees unbridled permissiveness is invalid.

    The rights granted are under the sensible provision that they be "well-regulated."

    If a convicted felon is prohibited from carrying a bazooka into an elementary school, it is because the law imposes such a reasonable regulation
     
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    The Militia Acts of 1792 described the Militia as very much like an army.

    Furthermore it REGISTERED all gun owners and it required them to provide their own firearms which is the original intent of the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    Even your own cut and past of the definition doesn't prove anything :) We are regulated by authority's not related to government, job, private property ownership, or any other social group, organization or clubs that the members elect a hierarchy to maintain structure.. Even a family has authority figure!

    Why is it the left are so eager to submit to governmental authority at every little hiccup? Has those people become so insecure with their own selves that a Mommy and Daddy or some authority figure must lead sheep.
     
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    The Government was in financial crisis at the time, it couldn't afford to bandage a soldiers wound, provide lead and powder let alone weapons for as many as they were drafting! Hence the start of domestic taxation.
     
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    The will of a free People is exercised by those they elect to represent them. Ours is a nation of laws enacted by those representatives.

    Those advocating permissiveness and lawlessness are sputtering in vain. That is a recipe for self-destruction and the ultimate abridgment of freedom.

    The obscene level of firearm carnage will not be endured, nor will it be ignored by the People.
     
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    But yet data proves you wrong murder has been falling for over a decade now, the left simply want to give up independence for authoritarianism and the lure of allowance and a society of parental coddling. Only the weak cower behind the authoritative! The left can't, haven't or even attempted to disarm the countries known area's of "obscene level of firearm carnage" for better than a half century. No one is taking the left serious because the left hasn't taken gun violence serious! The only time the left voice their concerns is when it's a high profile event and everyone knows it. Decades go by and tens of thousand people of all ages die in our city ghettos and where have are left been, clearly they haven't been protesting those poor children dying everyday!

    The left problem is their open hypocrisy and it's legacy is nothing more than take from the law abiding while ignoring the real area's and people responsible for this counties gun violence!

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    "Regulars" and "Well-regulated" are two different things.

    My original post still stands.
     
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    "regulation" and "well-regulated" are not the same thing.

    Try to know the difference.

    And are you trying to tell me that all the usages of the phrase "well-regulated" at the time the 2nd Amendment were incorrect?
     

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