Is health care a responsibility of the government. or a personal responsibility?

It doesn't refute what I said. Somewhere in the health care industry will be someone willing to handle the patient.

 

So you are saying that, since life is not fair, it's ok for you to screw everybody else for your profit?

But you're not contributing to the solution. You're contributing to the problem.

And you will happily accept it. Therefore serving as an accessory to this theft that you say the 16th amendment gives the government. More than an accessory.... by taking the money you'll be an accomplice in this "Ponzi scheme", as you call it.

But it's still there. So I understand from what you're saying that you're not going to take Social Security, but you are going to take Medicare. Why do that if, to you, they are both equally "Ponzi schemes"?

 

Yeah! Because they were off-topic here. As you correctly stated, the messages on another topic would have no effect here. Which also implies that the messages here would not have the desired effect in the topic where they were appropriate. We are in agreement, you just refuse to take "I agree" for an answer.

 

You don't have to convince me. I believe. just like you, that he's definitely entitled to it. I guess that's why they call them "entitlements". I didn't call it "theft" The other poster did. So if you have a problem with that, bring it up with them. If it was just a provocation... sorry... but it just didn't work. Better luck next time.

 

No, it's theft and wealth transfer.
We could be much further ahead if we kept our money and didn't have to have it used to subsidize those that pay much lower payroll taxes

 

And if they don't you'll just get it back by becoming an accomplice at the other end of what you call a "Ponzi Scheme:, right?

 

Give me my money back I will will opt why should I otherwise I don't have that money on my retirement account or other account to pay for my healthcare now, the government took it. And "becoming an accomplice", I just HAD to sign up for Medicare.

 

Victim and accomplice are not synonymous

 

So if, according to you, it is "theft". Then why are you accusing me of calling people who benefit from it "thieves"?

I don't believe that it's "theft" I don't agree that anybody is a "thief". But it is clear to me and to anybody who followed this that you have no idea what you're saying.

 

Why do I have to believe such a silly arguement which could be used about any government spending.

Oh, and just as a silly technicality all money actually does belong to the government.

 

Right. And you made it clear that you are a victim until you meet the age requirement to become an accomplice.

 

No, you just said it.

 

Wrong.
Notes written by the FED are private

 

But you are, and being subsidized by those who pay more payroll tax (and higher tax rates than you)

 

I am just living the life. We know you are on the web because you are living off of someone else's labor for free, drive your car on the roads because you are stealing from someone else. It is the old "in Rome do as the romans do.
I am finding your BS quite entertaining though, trying to disrupt the thread, but that is OK. And to use your computer on a public net, you thief you.
You don't WANT to believe it is theft, correct, call it theft, but let me ask you, they are still stealing from me last Friday. They took over a $1000 dollars out of my pocket just last Friday, and they will again on the second Friday. Don't blame me, I did not authorize the state to steal money from the populace, but sometimes life ain't fair to me either. hahahaha. It is all theft, but that is the way the corrupt system works. Next thing you will tell me is that abortion is not murder even though you support killing a baby. ALL TAXES TAKEN BY FORCE ARE THEFT. The days of the Sherriff of Nottingham will be with us until the end of man, and as long as there are men and women who don't see it that way (like you), they will find suckers to take it from, like you (and me).

It is just musical chairs, and when the music stops...……………………..

 

So, what convoluted logic are you using NOT to call it theft, or better yet, involuntary servitude, and in reality slavery.
So you are a communist, right? Each according to their need, each according to their ability. NO life, liberty, property in your world of a free man.

 

I knew you wouldn't...

but I'm used to debating with leftists so no worries. This is like playing a round of golf and hitting nothing but pars for 18 holes in a row.

 

You have a nothing burger. You believe in communism. Each according to their abilities, each according to their needs. Tell me that is not what you and Golem are selling? I am just selling LIFE LIBERTY AND PROPERTY. Prove me wrong, that is what you and Golem are selling, Communism. How has that been working for humanity lately? It is the productive people that the unproductive leach off of.

 

I guess what we are missing here in this thread, it the definition of THEFT. What is theft mean to you? To a liberal, it probably means NOTHING, like integrity and honesty mean nothing to liberals.

So, what is theft.

To me, it is using force to take items owned by others.

Definition of theft
1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
2 : a stolen base in baseball
3 obsolete : something stolen

 

Sorry, Charlie. If tax deductions are the same as subsidies, then the only reason for tax deductions is the government allowing you to keep some of their money. Otherwise government spending is the feds spending some of your money.

 

Who are you talking about? Is it April 20 already?

Hey dude! Burning toast, huh!

Dem's some heavy erbz

I catch your drift though.... First part you were just baked. But then you say you believe it's theft, but you gotta do it because everybody else does it.

got it!... Save some for the morning burn, broseph!

 

Well... my "convoluted" logic is simple: In a nutshell: The Human Species is successful because of our ability to work together for a common goal. This requires us to create stable communities. The more we help each other, the more stronger the community. People want to form part of a community that they know will take care of them when they are too old to work. So that community is more stable. This is what are Constitution says is the very reason why we constituted a nation. Not too difficult to understand if you read attentively.

I'm not. In the political spectrum I would objectively be considered slightly to the left, but almost dead center. Not right. Not left. However, ideology is not that relevant to me. Much more important is to do the right thing. In some issues pulling to the right, in others to the left. But always far from the extremes.

But I'm afraid that quote doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. No matter. Political theory is not typically a topic well understood by right-wing extremists.

 

Like getting subsidized by your fellow citizens without giving them anything in return

 

I'm sure that if you study hard you can understand eventually.

 

Nope. You gotta give something in return.