Is health care a responsibility of the government. or a personal responsibility?

but of course not...

as I said, no arguments. Welcome to nothingburgerland.

 

No, you don't have an argument.

 

Why would you think that? This is not new territory. The idiot tactics and arguments you employ are old hat. Clearly you value the idea of soothing yourself very much.

 

It seems @Mamasaid has an argument, but it's a secret argument. They can't tell you...

 

Actually, it doesn't soothe me at all. I'm old enough to remember when people who thought they had good ideas were willing to put it through the wringer of discourse. You're just straight up "Yeah, I have an argument, but you're not worthy".

You do realize, of course, that when gab gab becomes impossible, then it's just war war. I think you probably understand this, but don't care.

 

Trying to live rent free.

 

No, I just its a way of time. I said what i thought. If you want to call me a liar, go right ahead . I won't lose any sleep.

 

I'm not calling you a liar. You simply made a bare assertion and didn't bolster it with any sort of argumentation. So we can dismiss your statements out of hand.

 

Why should there not be any preset spending limits? I am not saying individuals should be constrained about how much they can spend of their own money on healthcare. But there is an obvious reason to limit the amout society is required to spend on an individual. And our country aready rations healthcare. It just doesn't ration it based on age but rather based on wealth.

And the comment about growing up is disingenous and offensive. I am probably much older than you and without a doubt more educated.

 

Using this tact has become common for you are tiresome for most of the rest of us.

If you wish for your commentary to be taken seriously, make the argument. In other words, put up or shut up and cease with the play ground "tag and run away" tactics.

Honestly, I don't think you can make the argument. In my experience in cases like this, a libertarian with a solid understanding of their belief system (and not some psuedo-republitarian) engaged you in this discussion previously and countered your arguments while up holding their. Logic and reason is on our side.

Don't get me wrong, I know many Republicans and Democrats who despite my disagreement with them can make logical arguments for their beliefs. However, you aren't one of them. I hope that you can rise above the sea of stupidity that is PG but this far you've failed.

I know...you don't care. That statement just confirms what I said.

 

Ok..so long as the limit is greater then what we spend on missiles no problem.

 

Suffice it to say that it would be a human rights violation. People cannot be discriminated against because of age.

That is precisely why we need to change it to a Universal healthcare System. Obamacare was one tiny step forward. But we're still far from the solution.

I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks. But I do hope you understand that you were using prejudicial language.

 

That is silly, both SS and Medicare have age requirements. Military service has age requirements. And my preset spending limits on government medical spending were for an individual over his lifetime. Has nothing to do with age.

And stating the fact thatbin America there is defacto healthcare rationing based on wealth is hardly prejudicial language. It is a fact.

 

So? What are you trying to say? In what way do they discriminate against the elderly?

Here is the corresonding article as written in the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", in case you still have any questions.

"Article 25: Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."​

I am unaware of any human right that guarantees access to Military service.

Bingo! And we're the only industrialized nation in the world (plus many non-industrialized nations including all Latin American nations) that has this rationing that you mention. That's what we've been saying for years and years. Unfortunately, changing this conflicts with the profits of Insurance Corporations. So there has been a political struggle between the rights of the People, and the Insurance Corporations at a governmental level. The right has typically sided with the Corporations and, in exchange, they receive billions in political contributions. The left has preferred to side with the People, feeling that this is what the Oath of Office they take demands of them.

 

Examples of age discrimination by the government were provided. Just because they discriminate against the young instead of the old doesn't diminish my point that government program do have age requirements.

Are you claiming that all industrialized nations and all Latin American countries have universal national. healthcare. Here is a pretty good summary:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

 

Mommy, I'm taking my checkers and leaving

 

Sure. But if they're not rights... who cares?

Pretty much. I might have missed a couple in Latin America Point is that we have fallen waaaay behind the rest of the world, despite the fact that we are waaaay above them in per-capita health expenditure.

 

I agree totally that our healthcare system is a pathetic mess that spends a higher percentage of GDP than any other developed country while deliverinf inferior results. That said what we really have is a conglomerate of different systems. Some provided by the government. Some provided by employers. Some provided by individuals. Some through insurance companies. And some not provided at all except by charity. And now we are starting to see concierge healthcare where money provides first access.

 

Yeah, this is a point that usually gets ignored by our socialist friends. It's like they know that there's very little "free market" involved in health care, and that they admit it's not working.

So their answer is, of course, more socialism! More government control, and less individual freedom.

I guess maybe one of these days we could have an honest discussion about the problems with health care, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

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