Are forced taxes theft.

Nope, just saw a post of his that said he is a teacher. A public school teacher?

 

What if he taught students on his own property. Would he then be exempt for paying for these roads that he never asked for and doesn't use?

 

Yes you've made that clear.

So all your babbling about being so against initiation of agression and force against your common man is complete bullshit.

How is it a strawman? How many posts have you written that you oppose use of force or agression against our fellow man?

Would you like me to quote a few examples?

I never quoted you saying that. However, I stand by my use of the word in conjunction with its use.

Thanks for clarifying your changed position.

Which perfectly supports what I've been saying all along.

You're perfectly fine with agression/use of force when it is the private lord doing it. You just oppose it when its the government of the people doing it.

Which is fine. If your the lord, and not the serf.

 

I'm sorry. Raping someone is not the same as a tenant who cannot afford the increase in rent.

And I got it. You're fine with aggression and use of force against our fellow man when it is the private lord enforcing his rules.

But not when it is a government of the people.

I disagree with your philosophy, for the obvious reasons I stated.

 

If someone violates your person or property how do you propose to make them stop? Ask them nicely?

 

They are both violations of person or property. Force is only justified to stop the violation of person or property.

 

What if? So now you have the private lord who owns the tenements, the roads and the schools. Along with the police department to enforce the private lord's rules, right?

Now if you get on the wrong side of the lord, he not only uses force and aggression against your person to evict you, uses force and aggression to take your property to pay back rent, and then uses force and aggression to kick you off his street, he can use force and aggression to keep your kids from getting educated as well.

Libertarian, utopian paradise.

If you're the private lord.

 

I never said anything about tenements, roads, or schools. I asked what if he teaches students on his own property. Many piano teachers to so.

If he doesn't use the roads, then @dairyair 's reason for why he should pay taxes goes away.

 

I'm not the one who ever claimed use of force should be allowed to enforce rules. You're the one who was claiming that.

Of course you can use force to enforce legal rights. It is why eviction is not assault and battery. It is why legally taking the tenant's things to pay past due rent is not theft.

And it is why taxes by the government are not "stealing."

 

Sure you have. You've written posts about private instead of public roads and of course we discussed private landlords. I assume that in your libertarian America there would be no government housing. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Ah. That is what makes the libertarian utopia so great. If you don't want to pay the private lord's taxes for using his roads, just don't use roads.

Paradise.

 

So we should deport tax evaders and sell off their belongings?

 

So we agree that if someone initiates a violation of person or property force may be used to stop that violation. Good.

 

@dairyair is talking about the government roads.

 

Depends. I don't have a problem with deporting foreign criminal tax evaders. And if a millionaire has been evading taxes I have no problem with levying and selling his stuff to pay for them.

 

Nope.
It's societies right to collect the taxes to pay for societies public needs and wants. Regardless if one uses them.

 

The Constitution is written in plain English. Interpretation of the Constitution doesn’t require a power, it just may require an English language dictionary. What may need interpretation are laws and proposed legislation which are often vague and require specificity to maintain constitutional compliance. So the power to interpret laws has been granted to SCOTUS. The power to interpret proposed legislation should belong to a constitutional committee made up of The People much like a jury system.

 

So the 'then don't use the roads' think was just a smokescreen. @Baff was totally right after all.

 

Are their government roads in your libertarian world?

I assume not because that would probably involve potential use of force by a government.

 

What exactly is a person's property? How is that settled as to who owns some piece of property?

 

Try not using the roads.
I have stated numerous times in this thread, if you don't want to pay taxes, move. But our resident teacher, public,? may get his paycheck from taxes.

 

The things you own by virtue of having been given it or having purchased it.

 

How do his students get to his property.
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Except for deportation, that is what happens to tax evaders, if caught. And jail if a citizen instead of deportation.

 

I'm not quite sure I'm following you.

Are you saying that everyone should be able to interpret what the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, means on own?

And when you say the SCOTUS should have the power to interpret laws, do you mean then can interpret what laws mean, but they cannot interpret whether a law violates the Constitution or not?

And what do you mean by "the power to interpret proposed legislation should belong to a constitutional committee made up of The People"? You just said the SCOTUS should have the power to interpret laws. What do you mean by interpret proposed legislation? Why do we need to interpret proposed legislation? The committee interprets proposed legislation for what? Then when the legislation is passed SCOTUS should have the power to interpret legislation which is now law? Would the SCOTUS be bound by the interpretations of the committee?

You post makes little sense legally. A prime example IMO of why we should *not* have common people trying to interpret law.

 

How is it proven it has been given or purchased? Many people lie about such things.