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Elizabeth Warren's DNA test says there was a Native American ancestor 6 -10 generations ago....

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  1. BestViewedWithCable

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    Latin Americans--Mestizo, whatever you want to call them. You're still saying the same thing I said. That large and varied group known as Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, all mixed to some degree by the introduction of Spanish/Iberian/African genes into the Native genes.

    As far as country, you can only pin that down with a very very broad pin. In order for the dna to be specific to a certain region, it has to be isolated for thousands of years. That means no migrations, lots of breeding within the group so that certain traits are more common within that group that within others. I was born in Newfoundland, and my dna does not show any Canadian genes. It does show a small amount (3%) of a mixture of African and the Iberian or Mexican. Go figure.

    I also traced the family tree on my father's side back five generations. The overwhelming majority of my paternal ancestors were German. They were meticulous record keepers, so it was easy to prove all that.

    My father's surname is British. Although I was able to trace it back a long way, Only one of my paternal ancestors was British. However, my dna shows 56% British and Irish, and most of the rest was broken into general areas such as Eastern and Southern Europe. The point being that of all those German genes in the family, few were passed on. Most of my paternal genetics come from a lone British ancestor. Five generations of German pushed aside by a single Brit. How rude.

    I'd say as far as identifying heritage, dna testing still has a long way to go.
     
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    Seems like you and Warren have similar backgrounds. ;)
     
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    It is very hard to understand how Elizabeth Warren has actually identified as Amerindian for so long and actually believies in it herself. She is obviously deluded, potentially mentally ill. Her behaviour is no different from some physcophant who is convinced that he is Napoleon Bonaparte.
     
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    My point is that the dna testing does not show the family tree. As I just posted, the tree on my father's side shows five generations of German and a single British ancestor. My dna shows 56% British and a blend of about 38% under the general label of Eastern and Southern European. The genes that were passed on to me were mostly those of a single ancestor, my great-great-grandfather.

    As far as calling myself Native, no, I would not. When I was a kid, I did hear the stories and even see the photos from my mother's side, and I did believe I was, to a small degree, part Native. But I've never made any such claim for any purpose. I can actually understand that she might have grown up believing she had Native blood, so I can accept that she may have claimed that on some applications; however, I don't agree with using that on the simple basis that if you can't stand on your own merits, you may need to find somewhere else to fit in.
     
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    Get off my land!
     
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    Mac, Mac, Mac...You're struggling with the whole concept of dna markers. Either that or you're poking sticks at people.
     
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    A JFK in the modern DNC???? hahahhaah that's laughable....he'd be called a "**********" and he and Jackie would be run out of restaurants today.
     
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    You fallaciously alleged that Warren specifically "took advantage of college programs and tenure" and your FAILURE to substantiate it when called upon says volumes.
     
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    They are IRRELEVANT as far as the bet that your beloved BLOTUS made with Warren. Nowhere did he demand evidence of membership in any tribe. He just demanded that she establish that she has Native American ancestry via a DNA test. She fulfilled her side of the bet so your lying shyster BLOTUS needs to pay out the $1 million to charity.
     
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    Why do you keep deflecting? Did she or did she not claim to be half Cherokee. Do you know "Half Cherokee" means?
     
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    You in no way answered my question. Do you need a source for the lying woman who claimed to be half Cherokee?
     
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    She did.
     
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    I gave you a single example of the kinds of PROGRESSIVES that are the FUTURE of the Dem party. There are plenty more just like her out there. In fact there are so many that it is hard to understand how you have managed to remain so blissfully unaware of ANY of them.

    If you expect there to be a FUTURE you need to look at the FUTURE LEADERS. Whining about the current incumbents is an exercise in self gratification that might make you feel warm and fuzzy but does NOTHING whatsoever when it comes to actually coming up with VIABLE candidates for that FUTURE.

    I could waste my time on bitter old farts like McConnell and Graham but why bother. They are already past their Sell By Dates IMO and need to be put out to pasture.

    I am looking for people with the POTENTIAL to become JFK's.

    You are not going to find them by complaining.

    You need to do your own research and see who could fit that bill.

    McGrath has more than enough in the way of credentials to become a female version of JFK. Give her a good speechwriter and she has the potential to reach that level IMO.
     
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    No

    I’m reje ting the idea that warren can call herself a Cherokee based on 1/1024th percent peruvian marker that may or may not be native american
     
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    Asinine deflection all you have left? :eek:

    ONLY you are talking about going back that far.

    Warren only needed to go back 6 to 10 generations.

    That you have gone to ground in the ad hom sewer is duly noted and ignored for DEROGATORY reasons.
     
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    No, what he actually said was that If he was in a debate with Warren in which Warren brought up her Amerindian heritiage, he we would throw her a DNA-test and if that test proved she was Indian, he would give her 1 million dollars. Now, Warren was never in a debate with Trump, she was not given a test by Trump and the test she took did not even prove she has Amerindian ancestry. Trump owes her nothing.
     
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    It is YOU that is deflecting.

    The TOPIC is the DNA, NOT the alleged spurious claims.
     
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    Pocahiontas, please. I am not American and I am not in America. :)
     
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    You claimed the DNA "Proved" she's native American. But your source claims it "nearly" does.

    And once again, if you have the guts to answer:

    Why did she claim to be half cherokee, if she's POSSIBLY 1/1204th Native American?

    Seems a bit odd.

    Also, she claimed to be a "minority".

    She's 99.95% white.
     
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    No, actually it is you and your fangirls who are doing that when you are defending Warren. The rest of us are just laughing at her and demanding you to defend your position.

    No. Warren can neither by photographs, government registers, genealogy nor by blood, prove that she has any kind of Cherokee descendant. look at her face, ffs; She looks like the typical standardised American blend of Anglo-Germanic phenotype.
     
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    That number is so insanely low that I laugh to myself everytime I see it. :laughing: Imagine your boss going; "You've been doing a great job lately, so we have decided to raise your annual salary by 0, 1024%!" I would feel so insulted that I'd quit right away.
     
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    Warren's release of this DNA data was a bad move, I think it was done to launch her presidential campaign (she's considered by lefties to be a leading Democrat contender), but the DNA data is so weak it honestly doesn't support the sort of righteous indignation Warren has expressed for Trump's derisive reference to her as Pocahontas.

    Additionally, this theme is a bit of a distraction in the lead up to the midterms where we find Democrats promoting many different issues nobody can agree will unite their base. I think Warren made a mistake, got no positive traction on this and in fact Trump himself accurately perceived her flopped ploy and urged her to run.

    I completely agree with that description of race being more about experience than DNA. Warren certainly doesn't look very Cherokee, her attire, demeanor, personal and professional circles all suggest a white female. Has she ever recounted experiencing the discrimination Native Americans claim to suffer?

    "right wingers at Vanity Fair"?
     
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    She took the DNA test requested (performed by the guy who wrote the book on the style Drumpf requested) and it showed adequate lineage for her claim. If you or Heir Drumpf disapprove of such tests then said Heir should not have offered such a gamble.
     
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