Trump to ban bump stocks

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  1. Well Bonded

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    Ten minutes with aimed fire versus spray and pray and there could have been four times or more the number of deaths from gunfire alone.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Federal agencies are often granted the authority to make some new rules on their own.

    Such as the FDA, EPA, DOE, etc.
     
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    Their rules must be based on existing law, which this redefinition does not meet.
     
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    Except for the fact that they are actually not granted such authority. A federal agency cannot simply redefine existing legislation to mean something entirely different.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry, but Congress has granted many Federal agencies the power to make some new rules, as long as it relates directly to existing rules.

    reinterpreting and expanding the definition of a "machine gun", qualifies.
     
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    they have the power and authority to reinterpret and expand a definition.

    dont like it? sue em
     
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    It did not, and this does not. Federal law defines what a "machine gun" as and how such a firearm qualifies. The ATF does not have the legal authority to redefine this via interpretation. This is nothing more than an illegal act.
     
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    Show where this authority has not only been recognized, but actually upheld. Cite the cases, cite the precedent.
     
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    We both know that’s not true. You’re doing both. You know it. I know it. We all know it.
     
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    Rulemaking is the process by which federal agencies implement legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by the President. In addition, an agency may engage in rulemaking to update rules under existing laws, or to create new rules within existing authority that the agency believes are needed.

    Rulemaking generally involves several steps that are designed to give members of the public an opportunity to provide their opinions on whether the agency should reject, approve, or approve with modifications a rule proposal.

    When approved by the Commission, a rule proposal is published for public notice and comment for a specified period of time, typically between 30 and 60 days. A rule proposal typically contains the text of the proposed new or amended rule along with a discussion of the issue or problem the proposal is designed to address. The public’s input on the proposal is considered as a final rule is drafted.

    https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersrulemakinghtm.html
     
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    Again incorrect, regulations, are standards and rules adopted by administrative agencies that govern how laws will be enforced, an administrative cannot modify a law only Congress can do that.

    You really ought to do some studying up on the difference between laws and the regulations that are based on those laws.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congress gave the DOJ the authority to tweek some rules and even make new rules.

    its a fact.
     
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    Post the statue where Congress did such, otherwise it's BS.
     
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    DOJ would not engage in this lengthy and cumbersome process if they had no authority to do so, as given by Congress
     
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    In other words what you posted is BS.
     
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    Irony...
     
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    The fact is, no device is required to use the recoil of a semi auto for rapid fire. I learned the technique back in the early 80’s before the term ‘bumpfire’ was coined.
    Funny, I an a few friends were learning the technique back in the early 80’s at an abandoned quarry in WI using a couple different Semi Autos, a Ruger mini 14, a M1 CMP, and even a Garrand mod using BAR 20rd mags. We were reported for shooting full autos and the State LE, in two cars rolled up on us. After 30-40 min of searches and questioning, we found ourselves teaching the 5 officers the technique.
    Here’s a vid showing the technique applied to a Ruger mini 14... notice the on demand switch between single aimed sots to recoil recoil assist.
    [video][/video]
     
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    The fact is, no device is required to use the recoil of a semi auto for rapid fire. I learned the technique back in the early 80’s before the term ‘bumpfire’ was coined.
    Funny, I an a few friends were learning the technique back in the early 80’s at an abandoned quarry in WI using a couple different Semi Autos, a Ruger mini 14, a M1 CMP, and even a Garrand mod using BAR 20rd mags. We were reported for shooting full autos and the State LE, in two cars rolled up on us. After 30-40 min of searches and questioning, we found ourselves teaching the 5 officers the technique.
    Here’s a vid showing the technique applied to a Ruger mini 14... notice the on demand switch between single aimed sots to recoil recoil assist.
    [video][/video]
    Much of the hype about ‘assault weapons’, ‘bump stocks’, etc. is propogared by people with no knowledge of fire arms often leading to worthless, feel good gun law that really is simply political opportunism.
     
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    OK, mr expert, what happens?
     
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    They had already issued a decision that the bump stock was not a machine gun. It's wasn't until after Trump said he would ban it that ATF looked at it again. Bureaucrats do what their masters tell them to. Do you feel that Trump makes good decisions?
     
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    Which does not translate into an agency attempting to redefine an existing term or definition that has already been codified into law.
     
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    Meaning no legal citation exists on the part of yourself to support such nonsense.
     
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    u really think the Trump DOJ would engage in such illegal activity?

    wow...
     
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    Why exactly should it not be believed?
     

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