Is America a democracy? I dont think so.

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    More likely dangerously close to the truth, dangerously a radical statement.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah. Wrong questions. The only right question is: Are Tom, Bill, and Jim politically free of each other so that each may rise to whatever heights each of their passions and skills takes each of them, or are they chained together as slaves to the will of the majority?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hell, it's not even close to being radical. You want radical. How about disowning the UN, arresting every Islamic leader of every Islamic nation, try them, hang them, burn their ashes, and sweep them into the dustbin of history. Now, that's radical. Or even more: Nuke every Islamic Nation into oblivion.

    You? You're just repeating the same old delusional tripe since Shakespeare created Shylock.
     
  4. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I was using radical to describe the act of truth-telling regarding US and Israeli influence at the UN, that's all.

    Yeah sure, many 'radical' hypotheticals can be imagined, no doubt.
     
  5. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, the big lie. Still not radical, just parroting.
     
  6. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Just speaking the truth, often spoken by others doing the same. Parroting? Hell yes, I'm guilty.
     
  7. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, your good. Nice comeback.
     
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    Sorry, but this is all over the place. Your claim the U.S. is supporting al Qaeda and ISIL are highly problematic. Some of your "evidence" is more than 30-years-old and unrelated to a claim the U.S. is "the #1 state sponsor of terror."
     
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    Well your criteria is a lot higher than mine. I never took philosophy, but that does not mean I can't tell bullshit when I see it.

    And 3 of the kids including mine went to Ivy league schools. I can't wait to tell him that you believed he was not wise enough to vote. And I though the kids that went to Brown were full of themselves.
     
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    It is not all over the place. You asked for evidence in relation to support of terror. Don't cry now because I gave you too much evidence - evidence which goes back 30 years and shows a history of supporting terror.

    Even if you want to focus on a shorter time frame - the last decade - there is no nation that have supported terror like the US/Saud coalition. El Saud is the only possible contender to the US for the #1 State Sponsor of Terror title and we support Saud - the cradle of the extremist ideology that is responsible for the majority of the terrorism on the planet.

    There is nothing problematic with my claim that the US was supporting Al Qaeda and the radical Islamist groups of the same ilk that went on to form an Islamic state. It is a simple fact. Running around in denial is not going to change that fact.

    Who should I believe - 10 bipartisan Senators and our own Defense Intelligence agency - or you ? - never mind nearly every independent journalist, that knows anything about the Syrian conflict, on the planet. Even Obama's VP admitted as much when he said that Saudi Arabia was arming Al Qaeda and these other groups.

    Where did you think tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military technology came from ... Santa Clause ? The Saudi's have to account for the end use of this sophisticated military hardware.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not say your kid was not wise enough to vote however by your lack of reading comprehension - not sure I can say the same about you.

    What part of "the basics of Philosophy" should be taught in school - did you not understand the first go-round ? What part of the word "basic's" are you having trouble with ?

    Can you tell bullshit when you see it ? Do you want to test that claim ?

    If I say to you - Do you favor totalitarianism/tyranny or do you favor limitations to the power of Gov't. For brevity I am going to assume your answer is the latter.

    So if you favor limitations to the power of Gov't - What then should that power be limited to ? - as per the founders and the Declaration of Independence Not sure about you but at this point I normally get a "deer in the headlights look". Average Joe does not know the answer to this most basic question.

    So then .. here is your chance to shine. If one can't answer this most basic question ... how will they know when the Gov't is acting outside of its legitimate authority - such that they can cast an intelligent vote ?
     
  12. Striped Horse

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    As I said, your stream of unconscious is nonsense and arises from a limited and narrow knowledge base and restricted intellectual function.

    If money is the root of "good" then the boss of organised crime families engaging in everything illegal and cruel but which is money spinning - the sex slave industry, drugs, murder, brutality, bribery and corruption - is the highest expression of this "good".

    It's utter cobblers.

    I assume you're speaking of yourself as the person with faith - the self elected high priest of greed and avarice - who is using this forum as a platform to spread his new (ish) view of what is moral?

    Neither. It's not a choice and not worth contemplating either, but one contrived by someone who is ignorant of the underlying reality of the participants he chose to illustrate his daft philosophy.

    Mother Theresa was no saint - rather she was cruel and abusive (HERE). And I have nothing good to say about Steve Jobs either; he was: "rude, hostile, dismissive and spiteful..." (HERE).
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is usually true, to parrot once again, that the truth will set you free.

    Defending propaganda is a tough row to hoe.
     
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    Ah. Never admit defeat.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That’s good—get stuck in the concrete and miss the abstraction.
     
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    So to surmise this exchange: facts as stated are for you an abstraction. I think that sums up your attitude quite well.
     
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    One only needs to look at the shear number of passed UN resolutions condemning Israel with the US opposing, to see its as far from the truth as you could get. Completely "deluded" in fact.
     
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  18. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Might you link me to those numbers?
     
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    Still stuck in the concrete: oh well. Do you want to live in a world where personal achievement and success is honored and rewarded, or do you want to live in a world where self-denial, self-sacrifice, self-immolation, and self-deprivation is honored and rewarded. Me? I’ll take Steve Jobs’ world in a heartbeat over Mother Theresa’s world.
     
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    You don't have the brains or education to step into Puss In Boots shoes, let alone Steve Jobs.

    But have a nice day dreaming of the impossible masquerading as the unlikely.
     
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    Just saying which world I’d rather live in, whatever my successes or failures may be.
     
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    Revealing that you view a "world where personal achievement and success is honored" as an impossibility.
     
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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/e...ee4b0407e9089afb8?ec_carp=5992312282366571376
    Aah well, this is great news...isnt maxine waters the woman that pumped 12 million bucks
    of tarp funds into her husbands private bank account, got indicted, but never served any time...
    In 2019 she will become the committee chair of US finances that overseas banks...
    Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to see such people serving in high places...nothing changes....
     
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