The Bible

Jesus was a hippie

 

My PC is down ..... Google was Jesus a Pharisee.

 

Was Jesus a Pharisee?
Jesus was definitely a Pharisee! The only credible argument that He wasn't rest with the fact He didn't belong to any religious group. However, this argument depends on one fact that simple isn't true.. namely that Pharisees were a strict formal religious group.

 

I don't think Jesus belonged to any religious group. He certainly wasn't a Saduccee. They were the Elite, the Aristocracy who controlled the Temple Worship They believed in the strict Law of Moses and not in life after death.
The Pharisees accepted the Law of Moses but believed that it should be updated as time and circumstances demanded. Jesus scorned much of these 'updates' as unnecessary and in many cases detrimental. He also berated the Pharisees for their misuse of the ordinary people. They controlled the Synagogues and were supposed to be on the side.of the common people. There are times when he tore the Pharisees/teachers to pieces .Matthew 12:24. Matthew 23. Incidentally, he was never called Rabbi. This term came into use in Judaism later. The reason the Bible uses this term is simply because that when they were written the term had come into use. .
The fact that he was educated in the Tanakh does not mean he accepted the Pharisees, or was accepted by them. Matthew 8:28-29.

 

Of course it does. It is an exercise in abject denial to claim that folks who Jesus refers to as calling "Lord Lord" and doing faith healing and prophesying in the name of Jesus - did not have faith in Jesus.

Lie to me if you like - but do stop lying to yourself.

 

Not sure ... good question though. I do not think he would be a Pharasee in the traditional sense of the word as he went against some of the teachings of the Pharisees.

 

Google the question.

 

Of course the Jesus character was a Pharisee since he believed in everything that the Pharisees believed in. He just thought that he was better than them.

 

Ephesians 2:8-9 in the Bible also specifically says that we are not saved from God’s judgment by our own good works. It says, “For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift – not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are His creation – created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them.”

...there is more to it than good works.

 

Why on earth would you quote from Ephesians in a conversation about the Jesus of Matt/Mark ?

The whole point of this discussion is about how Jesus contradicts the teachings of Paul with respect to Sola Fide ? "salvation by faith alone".

When it comes down to brass taxes it is questionable that even Paul would sign off on this doctrine but, no need to get into that. Paul did not write Ephesians. Not that this matters as Paul did not know Jesus and knows naught of the direct teachings of Jesus - nor was he part of the Church of Jerusalem (Church founded by the disciples).

Regardless - that is not what the Jesus of Matt/Mark believed.

 

Why?

 

Because it is as obvious as the claim "The Sun is hot". Would you not think it strange if someone started running around screaming "NO NO NO" in denial of such a claim ?

Even without the passage that comes after - Matt 7:21 is still crystal clear. It is not the hearing of the word (all those who have faith have heard the word) but the doing (Those who call lord lord but do not follow the teachings of Jesus= works)

Faith alone is useless. What good does it do one to believe in God if one has no works. Even Demons believe in God. How is one any better than a demon if one has no works.

Do you think all Catholics, Orthodox are going suffer eternal torture because they do not believe the man made "Sola Fide" doctrine ?

You are not using your head - not using the brain that God gave you.

Why is it that you think God gave you a brain ? Is it to deny what is front of your face ? Is it to ignore all logic reason and "Just have Faith" ?

What a stupid doctrine this is. If this is the case then why did Jesus say what he says in Matt ?

Jesus himself calls these people foolish (along with his half brother James who led the Church of Jerusalem after the death of Jesus).

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Faith alone doctrine is foolish. It teaches that you do not need to put the words of Jesus in to practice to be saved.

How is this in keeping with the teachings of Jesus ?

 

What are you talking about?

Does a demon have FAITH in God?

That depends. Do they believe in works alone? Or do they have faith, but think that they also need to do works?

Because he is describing a Christian. He is describing what someone who has faith will do. And nowhere does he say "works alone."

Jesus calls people who believe in faith alone "foolish?" What passage are you referring to?

If someone doesn't put the words of Jesus into practice, then it means that they don't have faith and are therefore not saved.

 

Obviously a demon believes in God. You continue to deny the obvious.

Then you try a bait and switch by changing the topic. The topic is that the people who Jesus is referring to as "Lord Lord" - had faith and that Jesus contradicts Sola Fide - not whether or not Jesus says works alone.

You then follow with a falsehood. "Someone who has faith necessarily puts the words of Jesus into practice" This is completely unsubstantiated BS. Many people of faith violate the teachings of Jesus.

Define faith- Faith in what ?

 

Can you imagine how people would look if they followed the Jesus characters teaching about cutting off their physical body parts to keep from sinning?

 

LOLOL

I believe that was a parable, written into the context of the times.

 

I asked, does a demon have FAITH in God? Not belief.

And do you think that Jesus requires perfection?

Faith in Christ, that he is their savior.

 

Of course Satan and demons believe that God exists. That is what "Faith in God" is. Belief that God exists. Notice I used the same phraseology as does James 2.

No clue why you ask the silly question "do you think that Jesus requires perfection" - a question I have answered numerous times in detail.

So now you are changing your claim. Previously when asked you what "faith alone" meant you stated "faith in God.

Now you claim that "faith alone" Faith that Christ will save them.

So which is it ?

door #1) belief in God God the Father) or
door #2) belief that Jesus will save them

 

Why would demons have faith in God?

Because you keep repeating that people of faith violate the teachings of Jesus. Why, when Jesus doesn't require that people NEVER violate them.

In your previous post, you asked me to define "faith." You did not ask me to define "faith alone."

You can't have door # 2 without door #1.

 

Of course Satan and his minions believe in God.

Been through this way to many times - Jesus says what he says - I know you can not deal with what Jesus says in Matt but, it is what it is.

Now you are trying to pretend that this whole discussion has not been about "Sola Fide" "Faith alone". Obviously I asked you to define faith with respect to Sola Fide "Faith Alone" = how one gets into heaven.

What a disingenuous soul you are.

Define what "faith alone" means. What does one have to have faith in - in order to be saved.

Of course one can believe in God without believing that Jesus is one's savior. You can define "faith alone" however you wish though. If you want to say "Both" that is perfectly fine.

It makes no difference which door you pick - or if you pick both. The salvation formulation that Jesus gives in Matt requires works = requires more than just belief in God and/or believe in Jesus as one's savoir.

You are in a lose lose situation and your brain can not handle it. Faith alone is useless without works ... as James says "such a faith can not save you".

 

I thought that you were using "believe" as in they know that God exists. You didn't answer my question. WHY would demons have faith in God? You mean in the same way as Christians?

Yes, Jesus says what he says, which doesn't include that people must be perfect. You've previously acknowledged this, so I don't know why you are trying to argue against it now.

One has to have faith in Christ.

I said that you can't have door # 2 without door #1, not that you can't have door # 1 without door #2.

Correct, because such a faith is not a real faith. If someone lives without works then it means that they are not saved through faith. James is correct.

 

IMO it was meant to be taken literally because the character said that you should pluck out your right eye if it causes you to sin = Matthew 5:29. Other body parts could be taken figuratively, such as Joe is my right hand and Jane is my heart. Sometimes you might ask someone to be your eyes and ears when you are trying to find out something. But in the case of the biblical fairy tale passage the command to commit body mutilation is associated with sexual lust for a woman so it is literal.

 

"biblical fairy tale"? Why are you here? Really.

 

You believe in the biblical fairy tales. In mythological stories. Why are you here?