Poor people having too many children they can't afford

The taking of innocent life is dramatic….I was referring to your over-the-top comment: "" The pro-death shills want to convince themselves that one centimeter forward or back somehow magically bestows or withholds human life. They know better, but won’t face up to the reality of their ghoulish hunger.""


None of which is true... c'mon, "ghoulish hunger" ??? The fetuses are NOT eaten despite what Anti-Choicers tell you...really, they aren't.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
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You: "" In society no one has unrestricted use of their own body to commit any active violence against another.""

I NEVER said they did..........


So funny!

It never fails, when righties realize they have no facts, no points, no argument they ALWAYS get personal, believe they can read minds( a sign of insanity) and make up stuff just to have something to post


What I advocate, which you won't understand at all, is women having the same right you do, the right to her own body.....why do you think women shouldn't have the same right you have?

Are they "less" than you?






No, they are equal.

Both women and men have a right to their own body.

Women have a right to their own bodies which means no one can force them to gestate....and no one can force you to gestae either so it's equal

The human fetus is human but it is not A human being as in "person"....not until it's born.

It is not consider a person with rights until birth.





Still avoiding addressing my post you keep quoting.


Your morals are NOT everyone's...you do NOT rule on what is moral....mind your own morals and leave other's alone...

Yes. Your morals are NOT everyone's...you do NOT rule on what is moral....mind your own morals and leave other's alone...

 

It is exactly and precisely true.

 

Morality does not refer to personal opinion. Words have meanings.

 

Pro abortionists like to throw around terms like “right,” but they assiduously avoid the most important right of all. They like to talk about choice, but their entire position is about robbing an individual of all choices he or she might ever have had. The hypocrisy and immorality is frankly disgusting.

 

Giving them a raise because they have more children is absolutely stupid. You have to stop them from doing that and the only way it's cut it off. If we're not talking about people who just happened to be poor.

 

So, is the mother's health and choice ALWAYS subservient to the fetus? That is what you are arguing.

 

Even pro abortionists, on some level, realize the murderous brutality of what they are advocating. This is what drives them to tie them selves into absurdist knots attempting to avoid the very obvious point that what they are urging is the killing of innocent human beings.

 

Asinine argument on your part. It is in no way hypocritical to ALLOW a mother to make a choice and HOPE that potential mothers have availability to contraception and knowledge about the process to avoid having to make that choice. It is not hypocritical to give mothers and doctors the freedom to make difficult decisions in the face of complications that arise during pregnancy and still hope that the fetus is not putting the mother in danger.

 

No, that’s not what I’m arguing.

 

It is beyond disingenuous to pretend that a real danger the mother’s life represents anything more than a tiny number of abortions, and to hide “killing” behind the euphemism “choice.”

 

EVERY pregnancy can result in the death of the mother. Every single pregnancy comes with risks. Every mother's health concerns are different and YOU are not EVER going to have to make that decision because YOU don't have any skin in this game. YOU will NEVER have to risk your life to bring a fetus to term. So don't pretend YOU know crap about what being pregnant means or what the risks are.

 

Completely disingenuous.

 

Blah, blah, blah ... disingenuous ... blah, blah. Play a new record, dude.

 

You are correct, EVERY pregnancy can result in the death of the mother. However, out of 3,855,500 births in the US, there are only about 700 women that die from complications of pregnancy, so the odds are very, very low.....about 0.02%

 

And? How many more would die if doctors did not have the option to terminate complicated pregnancies? Aren't the odds low because doctors and mothers have the option? Isn't that the point?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
The taking of innocent life is dramatic….I was referring to your over-the-top comment: "" The pro-death shills want to convince themselves that one centimeter forward or back somehow magically bestows or withholds human life. They know better, but won’t face up to the reality of their ghoulish hunger.""


None of which is true... c'mon, "ghoulish hunger" ??? The fetuses are NOT eaten despite what Anti-Choicers tell you...really, they aren't.

To your mind it probably is....even with NO PROOF WHATSOEVER....and I know what that means...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
....

You: "" In society no one has unrestricted use of their own body to commit any active violence against another.""

I NEVER said they did..........


So funny!

It never fails, when righties realize they have no facts, no points, no argument they ALWAYS get personal, believe they can read minds( a sign of insanity) and make up stuff just to have something to post


What I advocate, which you won't understand at all, is women having the same right you do, the right to her own body.....why do you think women shouldn't have the same right you have?

Are they "less" than you?






No, they are equal.

Both women and men have a right to their own body.

Women have a right to their own bodies which means no one can force them to gestate....and no one can force you to gestae either so it's equal

The human fetus is human but it is not A human being as in "person"....not until it's born.

It is not consider a person with rights until birth.


Still avoiding addressing my post you keep quoting.


Your morals are NOT everyone's...you do NOT rule on what is moral....mind your own morals and leave other's alone...



Yes. Your morals are NOT everyone's...you do NOT rule on what is moral....mind your own morals and leave other's alone...

No, morality does not REFER to personal opinion but morals are based on personal opinion.

YOUR idea of what is moral is not everyone's nor does it need to be.

 

...and what's a few woman's death to you? Right? A small percent is meaningless if it's not YOU or a loved one ???

Your callousness does NOT change the fact that ALL pregnancies carry the RISK of death and ALL pregnancies affect women's bodies permanently and temporarily.

 

The only data I could find was that in 2015, out of 71,740 abortions in Florida:

0.065% (46) said it was that the woman's was endangered by the pregnancy
0.582% (415) said that their physical or mental health was threatened by the pregnancy.

So, out of over 70,000 abortions (in Florida alone), around 461. Not because of proven risks, but because of perceived risks.

However, I do not think that was what unkotare was contending. He did not seem to be opposed to abortions needed to protect the health of the mother. His argument seemed to be that many claim that abortions are NEEDED in order to be available for "health of the mother", "cases of incest", or "cases of rapes". All of these are very low reasons why abortions are done. The most common reasons are "can't afford a baby", "don't want to be a mother", or "I'm done having children". Mostly for selfish reason.....which is ok, I'm pro-choice to an extent. However, I also believe that there comes a point in the pregnancy that the "choice" should already been made and oppose later terms abortions.

 

What a great wonderful strawman you have built.

You know nothing about me....but then that is the only way you seem to know how to discuss things. With insults and bile.

 

GOOD! I'm glad you admit that women having the right to their own body is disgusting...shows exactly what you think of women....and it's not good.

BTW, there are no "Pro-Abortionists" .
There are those who know women have the same right you do, the right to their own body....and with that right comes the SAME right that you have, they do NOT have to use their body to sustain the life of another...


In abortion NO person is robbed of any rights....banning abortion would rob women of their rights.....a Really Great Thing to Anti-Choicers.

 

Women do not need your approval to have a legal medical procedure called an abortion. The only reason they need is that they want one.

Women have 23 weeks to decide on an abortion. That is the legal limit..it IS ALREADY IN PLACE...LEARN about abortion and you might know that.

After 23 weeks abortion is illegal unless it's for the life/health of woman and/or fetus....

YES, HUMANS , ALL HUMANS, make selfish decisions, they think of themselves...it's called survival, it is not a sin or an error or naughty or bad , it is what humans do.

Are YOU totally UNSELFISH? Own nothing, have given everything you own away? Let anyone live in your home so you don't appear to selfishly live by yourself? Do you lend your possessions to anyone and everyone UNSELFISHLY? Do you give away all your food UNSELFISHLY?

YUP, women have a bortions for selfish reasons like not being able to afford a kid...(.the topic of this thread.)

They "selfishly" want to continue to support themselves, continue their education....ya, so selfish that they want to survive and succeed...

Sweet JAYsus , get over the kindergarten idea that "selfish " is naughty bad!!


Quit trying to shame women into breeding as if deciding not to have kids is selfish but bringing a kid into the world without asking THEIR permission ISN'T selfish.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
...and what's a few woman's death to you? Right? A small percent is meaningless if it's not YOU or a loved one ???

Your callousness does NOT change the fact that ALL pregnancies carry the RISK of death and ALL pregnancies affect women's bodies permanently and temporarily.

I asked questions.

Do you know what that little squiggly thing is at the end of a sentence? It's a question mark.

I never suggested I knew anything about you ( and wouldn't want to)...I ASKED questions which you are dodging by claiming "strawman"...

I also stated a FACT :Your callousness does NOT change the fact that ALL pregnancies carry the RISK of death and ALL pregnancies affect women's bodies permanently and temporarily.

Which you didn't refute.

 

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You have no proof of that at all....exactly like all your other Dramatic claims

There are no ""pro abortionists" and they do not urge the killing of anything.

Why would they? Oh, ya, you think they barbeque fetuses and ghoulishly eat them...or something...