I Am the 1 Percent Used to Justify 100 Percent of Abortions

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  1. Kode

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    DNA is irrelevant. A transplanted kidney also has "unique DNA but it is routinely planted within another person to ensure a chance for health and a longer, healthy life. The issue here is the "another body" thing. A tumor is "another body". NEITHER is a person.
     
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    The unborn is oblivious to "choice" and life.
     
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    LOL!!!! And people should abandon Trump. And people should get an education. And people should not kill other people. And people should..................
    LOL!!!!!
     
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    Well...in their defense, let me say...that is only because people who do that are just hypocrites.

    It must be in their DNA.
     
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    The only advantage I see to abortions is that the vast majority of them are removing additional Democrats from the herd. We will not have to face those aborted Democrats.
     
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    :) Yup, abortion seems just FINE if it's someone you don't like ….


    too bad that Republican women also have abortions :) :) :)
     
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    Well jolly good for you, and how does that justify placing the government’s gun at women’s head, demanding she give birth or die.


    Very illigical. Your existence doesn't grant the state the right to force a woman to behave as you wish.
     
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    This over your daily tripe could actually be a decent discussion.

    I shall commence what I and other republicans do hope is a decent discussion.

    Black Abortions By The Numbers
    I submit the reason Democrats are so eager to promote Abortions is they still hate blacks.

    National Statistics
    https://rtl.org/multicultural-outreach/black-abortion-statistics/
     
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    Apply that same reasoning to guns. Apply it to background checks. Apply it to hunting or fishing licenses. All promotions of Democrats.

    I maintain and get no counter arguments, that Democrats as the father of this nation's laws, want to bind you. To control your life.

    Abortion is a pain to blacks. They suffer most of it.
     
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    :) YUP! All good things aimed at protecting innocent people!!! YEAH! Democrats!!!!!


    Where is your PROOF that black women were forced to have abortions?

    Do you think black women shouldn't have the same right to abortions as white women?
     
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    The debate is not whether the unborn have legal rights as citizens under the law. They don't. But there is a presumption of an unalienable right to life built into the culture of many including the Founding Fathers who wrote that into the U.S. Declaration of Independence that the entirety of the U.S. Constitution was based on. And many take the position that since not a single one of us who DO have rights of citizenship and protections under the law were able to be who we are without passing through those months of being unborn, it is difficult to rationalize that the unborn are not human beings with an unalienable right to life.

    Now you factor in all the other components. The trauma to the woman who is raped and becomes pregnant, issues of the life and health of the mother, the responsibilities she has to other children, etc. etc. etc. and the issue moves into whether abortion should be legal under all circumstances, legal under some circumstances, or illegal under most or all circumstances, etc. All are legitimate factors in the debate. Those who take the position that the baby can be killed at any stage perhaps even including being killed after birth are just as draconian in their views as are those who would disallow abortion at any time for any reason.

    Most people come down somewhere between those two extremes.

    But the argument should never be whether the unborn is a person. He/she is as none of us live without first being one of those unborn human beings.
     
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    Tis true, the liberals want your wallet, the conservatives want your soul. Me? I just want the busybodies to take care of their own lives and stop worrying about mine--I'll take care of it, and do just fine, thank you.
     
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    A fetus is not a legal person until birth.

    IF it was ever deemed a legal person it would then have the same restrictions we all have, we cannot use another's body to sustain our life and we do not have to suffer physical harm from others without our consent.

    Either way, the fetus loses and the person it's in wins.
     
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    There are 100,000 children waiting for adoption right now - they just aren't the "perfect" ones your friends want.
    And there are a number of abortions performed for married couples who may have two kids, but just can't afford the medical bills to bring another into the world. Are they bad parents for making a decision to care for two kids instead of putting all at risk for a third?
     
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    The unborn are neither innocent or guilty. When abortion occurs they have no neural connections, weigh a fraction of an ounce and are not victims of violence. They are undeveloped so I suggest you stop personifying a ZEF maybe you’ll sit under the shade of an acorn and call it a tree
     
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    Then remove it and let it live....if you can see it.
     
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    Sorry you think a zygote is more important than a woman.
     
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    These are the same people who complain about poor women having too many children
     
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    That's your veiw. Another way of putting it would be, being born and being unborn are equal. But, then again, that wouldn't make any sense would. I mean, if that were true, then couldn't a person charge rent with just a blueprint, but no house?

    Until that unbiblical cord is cut, it's each and every individual woman's choice as to whether or not her fetus will be born.
     
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    That’s where you’re wrong. There are millions of women(and men) who say the same thing and they will be heard
     
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    The law of the land is immaterial to my argument. My argument is mostly a matter of choices. Of right and wrong. Better and worse.

    My argument is that since none of us are persons without going through the process of being unborn, it makes no sense to say that the unborn is not a person. That legal protections currently apply only to the person that is born does not mean that the unborn is not a person. The unborn is simply a person with no legal rights just as minor children are persons who have not reached the age of majority that entitles them to certain rights under the law.

    But all of us deal with moral imperatives that have nothing to do with whether something is or is not legal under the law of the land.

    The unborn had no choice in the matter when conception occurs as a result of consensual sex. And it can be argued that those who do anything by consent are responsible for the consequences of their choices, so should the adults be responsible for the consequences of their consensual sex.

    The woman had no choice in the case of rape and in many cases of incest. But neither did the unborn person conceived in those terrible circumstances.

    The choices made in those circumstances have nothing to do with legal rights. They have everything to do with right and wrong. Moral choices regardless of the final decision.
     
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    If God has no moral objection to abortion (given that over 50% of fertilized eggs never make it past the first month) then who am I to question the omni-potent being?
     
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    You won't find any place in Scripture in which God approves of abortion. Does God condemn anyone who has an abortion for any reason? I cannot believe he does in every circumstance when a terrible choice must be made out of necessity. But the commandment condemning murder was given as Law in the Old Testament and was reconfirmed in the New Testament. So the moral decision to be made is whether the choice to kill an unborn person can be justified on moral principle or whether it is murder that can never be justified.
     
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    Depends upon your standard of right or wrong, yes? So what's your's, reason, mysticism, feelings or social norms and mores?
     
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    God approves of abortion or He would make every uterus perfect, every fertilized egg would implant properly, every mother would have perfect health throughout labor. Unless your argument is that God does not have the power to do so.

    Also - you would have to prove that given that every uterus is not perfect, and every fertilized egg is not perfect, and every woman's health characteristics are different, that the urge to abort is not just God saying, "Hey, normally this would be a natural abortion (miscarriage) but your physiology is compromised and the natural abortion process is not working - you need to get help aborting this fetus." When you can prove that isn't the case, then we can talk moral imperative.
     
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