Trump says he's not 'personally bothered' by North Korea missile tests

well that solves everything

 

North Korea is a sovereign nation, just like the US.

And just like the US, North Korea has the sovereign right to develop and test weaponry for purposes of national security.

If the US really wants North Korea to deescalate its weapons programs, then the US should stop invading and destabilizing so many countries.

 

It's hypocritical.

If Trump is willing to negotiate a deal with North Korea, who already possesses nuclear weaponry, then there is no legitimate reason why he should have withdrew from the Iran deal.

 

So lets hear your solution to NK:

 

The solution to N. Korea will be found only through diplomacy and not through meetings with Trump and Pompeo that are little more than hand shaking, back slapping photo ops.

The simple answer is 'information'. N. Korea has been solidly excluded from the whole world country. N. Koreans are fed propaganda from the time they're born to the day they die. They are taught to hate the US from the time they could speak words. The real solution to N. Korea is reaching that generation of young North Koreans that have unprecedented access to foreign information and media. They secretly trade USB sticks loaded with S. Korean films and TV programs that stir up their curiosity and are contrary to the regime's propaganda. This slowly erodes the N. Korean information blockade.

People are deflecting from N. Korea in unprecedented numbers and not for food even though they're near starvation. They're deflecting for freedom, as information from beyond North Korea’s borders has found its way into the country and people have begun to understand how constrained and deprived they've been. The single most dangerous weapon that the US can use against Kim Jong Un is information. Ultimately Kim Jong Un must be deposed as leader of N. Korea and nobody knows that better than he does, that's the main reason he's never going to give up his nuclear proliferation.

 

So your solution is a regime change, albeit an unconventional one.

You realize that is not actually a form of diplomacy, right? And that your self-serving assumptions about the alleged necessity of toppling the North Korean government preclude even the possibility of a genuine diplomatic exchange between the US and North Korea?

Just as I suspected, Democrats have nothing constructive to add to this discussion. Just more of the same, only wrapped in different packaging.

 

Diplomacy and sanctions is the only tool in the shed right now but ultimately there's no other way but regime change. Kim will never, and I mean n e v e r, give up his nuclear missile program.

 

So all we have to do is convince people that what they have known to be the truth since birth is wrong?

 

Nope. All we have to do is given them freedom of information.

 

It was a bad deal, it didn't ensure Iran didn't build nukes after 10 years.

He is willing to renegotiate it but the Iranians aren't stupid and realize they can't get the sweet deal Obama offered them.

 

Again, sanctions are not a form of diplomacy. Diplomacy entails mutuality, cooperation, and compromise. Sanctions are the exact opposite of that.

If that's what you believe, then you are not really interested in diplomacy.

Why should the North Korean government be required to surrender their nuclear weapons program in the first place? The only reason it exists is for purposes of defense. If the US simply minded its own business and stopped trying to police the world, there'd be no reason for conflict between the US and North Korea.

 

He got our POW remains back, that already puts him further ahead then Obama.

Why didn't Obama do that?

 

You think we have propaganda here in the US? You haven't seen anything like what N. Koreans are subjected to. The official mourners are threatened with prison if they don't cry hard enough or show how bereaved they are by throwing themselves on the ground in sorrow. Kim Jong Un has them controlled out of fear. As the video says, "this is how a cultist personality is born and nurtured". Many soldiers in the Army and their families would have nothing at all to eat if they weren't in the Army. As it is, they're all much shorter in height and weigh much less than their relatives in the South. The soldier that defected last year and his escape captured on video was hospitalized and his intestines were filled with parasites. So if you travel to N. Korea, you better practice your kow-tow and crying.

Could a cult such as that in N. Korea be cultivated here in the U.S.? Sometimes it appears that it already has begun.

 

Sanctions don't work with N. Korea. They defy them all the time and Russia and China are helping. How do you suppose that every President since Harry Truman was able to curtail the Kim's regime's nuclear proliferation? Every president has dealt with it. DIPLOMACY

 

It was actually a very good deal, as it put the US and Iran on a path to normalized relations. And it gave international inspectors more access to Iranian nuclear facilities than ever before.

The kind of deal that would "ensure" such a thing is not feasible or realistic.

He could have renegotiated the deal without withdrawing from it. And because of Trump's actions, a new deal with Iran is now a virtual impossibility.

 

That is the only deal that is acceptable.

Because you know full well they will simply start it up again in what.....7 years now?

I actually have no problem with them getting nukes however. I think we should arm every nation in the ME with them then slowly back up and wait for the fireworks.

Then go collect our oil.

 

Except you are not advocating for diplomacy, you are advocating for regime change.

And they apparently didn't do a very good job of curtailing North Korea's nuclear ambitions, judging by the results.

 

You really don't know much about N. Korea, do you. The reason the US wants to halt N. Korea's development of a missile that can carry a nuclear warhead is because Kim Jong Un, just as his father and grandfather before him, sworn to destroy both Japan and the U.S.

That's the end game, destroy every one of us. It's not for defense, not by a long shot. If N. Korea truly felt that they would be destroyed by the US, we could have gotten the job done in 1950 as General Douglas MacArthur wanted to do. That's right, he wanted to nuke North of the 48th parallel and make it radioactive and uninhabitable. The B29's were loaded at Guam and waiting for the order.

 

How can a deal that isn't feasible or realistic be the only deal that is acceptable?

I know nothing of the sort, as there has never been any proof that Iran was developing nuclear weapons in the first place.

Anyway, there is no deal that will "ensure" that Iran cannot or will not pursue nuclear weapons at some point in the future. That will ALWAYS be a possible outcome so long as the technology for nuclear weaponry exists. Nothing Trump says or does can change that. The only realistic standard is one that results in normalized relations between the US and Iran. And that standard was achieved by the Iran deal.

Nuclear non-proliferation is a worthy goal, but it must be accomplished through cooperation and compromise. And if Trump is willing to try that approach with North Korea, then there is no reason why he cannot try the same approach with Iran.

 

Wrong again. N. Korea has not developed the technology yet, and they're still years away from it. Kim Jong-un is, as the saying goes is a 'clear and present danger' to the U.S. yet the more dangerous threats come from China and Russia. Putin would absolutely love to have us drop a bomb on the capital city of Pyongyang even if we attacked first and retaliated because we would feel threatened and justified. That's where Putin steps in and says "no ****ing way are you destroying the country of Korea!" Russia will quickly be involved and be at the side of N. Korea and China. They will take out S.Korea and Japan first then the U.S. quickly.

It goes without saying that Putin rules Trump, Trump rules us, so Putin rules us. There, that's that. Putin has already been very clear that he is not going to tolerate any aggression from the U.S.towards N. Korea. End of that story, he really, really means it.

 

Why is it unrealistic?

If you are insisting they are so hell bent on getting nukes then you are admitting that Obama's deal was worthless since they will just get them when it expires anyways.

If they weren't going for nuclear weapons then what was the point of Obama's deal?

Different nations with different problems and attitudes.

You can't compare them.

NK is willing to talk, Iran is not.

That is the difference.

Iran is going for a hegemony in the ME and getting nukes would give them that. NK does not have that option, what they have is basically all they will ever have unless they somehow agree to reunification.

Two totally different games being played by two totally different players with completely different goals.

 

What you "know" about North Korea is informed largely by US government propaganda.

They swore to retaliate against US aggression. They did not swear to destroy the US (or Japan) for no reason at all.

Utter nonsense.

So every country that has nuclear weapons has them for purposes of defense except North Korea? How curious.

Gee, I wonder why North Korea decided to pursue nuclear weapons.

 

Quite the reverse, anything YOU know about N. Korea was spoon fed you by Fox and Trump. I lived those years, I read, I study and that's how I learned the history.
Good God, don't you know anything about why the Koreans hate the Japanese?
The occupation of Korea by the Japanese between 1910 and 1945 was absolutely brutal. The Japanese wanted to destroy their culture, their history, their traditions and even their language. Japanese imperialism, and the atrocities it committed before and during WWII are well documented. That's why

 

I can't blame you for thinking that I'm a person that takes my information from the nightly news or social media, but I'm not. I learned my of what I know about world history including that of N. Korea. I learned from reading, from studying and from living those years.

 

Because the only way to "ensure" that Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons at some point would be to strictly monitor and control everything their government does.

I'm not insisting on that, you are.

No, Obama's deal was not worthless because it put us on a path to normalized relations with Iran. And that is far more important than trying to curtail their alleged nuclear weapons program.

To decrease tensions between the US and Iran and put us on a path to normalized relations.

All nations are different. And all nations are the same.

So with respect to their similarities, I certainly can compare them.

Both governments are authoritarian.

Both governments have strained relations with US allies.

Both governments have made hostile remarks about the US and its allies.

Both governments have defied US attempts at containment.

Iran was willing to talk until Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal and started behaving belligerently. So if Iran doesn't want to talk to Trump, it's his own fault.

They are not "totally" different. No countries are "totally" different from each other. And the differences you claim exist between Iran and North Korea are largely superficial.