We Support Donald Trump

I have arrived at my own conclusion. When you people unleashed your hate against President Bush, you carefully saved it. And now you use the same thing against Trump.

 

Now there's the most non sequitur post of the day for this thread. Good job. I wondered who would win.

 

So is that a yes? After all, socialism is very bad and scary.

 

I am on Medicare because a socialist minded government made it impossible for there to be any other viable alternative for me. That is the evil of government run monopolies. It takes all individual choice and options out of the equation.

 

In what way have I 'refused to accept MAGA' by politely asking question about the word 'again'? I have not even expressed an admiration for socialism so much as enquire as to why Americans fear the word. If you are asking me a question in your sentence 'America's greatness is the last thing you wish for, eh?' Then you may be comforted to know that the last thing i would wish for is nuclear war and thereby the destruction of the whole planet. America's greatness seems to be at the heart of American political discourse. However, yes, you are right to point out that to Americans I am a foreigner, and as such your political system is none of my business.
I am saddened that as a resident of a great country, your greatness does not extend to dealing with a polite enquiry from a foreigner in a more gracious way.

 

You took the civility out of it with your post #3043 in which you said:

I presume you rule out 1991 as the sort of 'back to the future' time Trump means when he uses the word 'again'.
It seems what you are saying that he wants people to reference various things that have happened since the Declaration of Independence that a certain demographic wants to feel proud of. I imagine some of the less celebrated American experiences he would rather not have happen again. Or perhaps he weighs things in some kind of scale that says 'yeah, slavery and civil war was bad, but on the other hand getting to the moon was good so one cancels out the other'.
Hold on.
If the good of the past cancels out the bad of the past is there a net gain or a net deficit?
I suppose that is the political debate in America right now​

Baiting however politely is it is worded is still baiting. And you are doing it big time in this post.

 

I doubt Barr will push for a controversial vendetta. If he prosecutes, it will be for the genuine crimes and not suggested crimes.

 

Agreed and then this as well. When we get pulled over by a cop, lets say we ran a stop light, as dangerous as that act is, we do not want to have the cop screaming at us as he threatens us with prison time.

Republicans such as myself were shocked at the treatment given to Hillary by Lynch and Comey and saw a wrong allowed to pass.

We did not want nor expect them to rush out in anger, as has happened to Trump, but to know the law and enforce law in a just fashion.

From day one, Trump has faced a hot temper outrage by Democrats. A group in the millions formed to resist the man.

We had never formed groups to go get Obama out of office. Our Tea party made noises. But not so much against Obama for his job, but his party that is relentless for being unfair on taxes. Trump faces an angry news group. Faces the angry PBS newshour who talks as if they hate the man. Democrats on PBS chat love how Trump is beaten up daily by PBS. We find that FOX news beats up on Trump but they also defend his office.

We republicans if I may boldly speak for all of us, want Trump to have treatment commensurate with his job and duty to all of us but not the hostile nature we encounter daily.

Stop sticking the fork into the man and expecting him not to howl. He will howl back louder than you howl at him.

Have you lost your job due to Trump? A lot of people lost jobs due to Obama. But Democrats defended him. Obama loved to tax only a group of humans. But let the rest alone.

 

Lol...You mean like trump’s racist demagoguery, eh?

 

You're a good litte soldier, sticking to Dem talking points. Maybe youll get a gold star for obedience?

Meanwhile,in the real world...

 

That statement truly puzzles me so will resort this time to asking for proof.

 

I believe you are mistaken.

I have not accused President Trump of racism in any of my posts, yet you allocate a lot of your reply to explaining why you think Donald Trump isn't racist. I think that stuff is addressed to others not the person you think I might be. Neither have I suggested that any American thinks slavery is or was a good idea, again I think you are countering a point I have not made.

One thing we can certainly agree on is that good can replace bad, although it would be a different discussion if we started to talk about what we think good or bad actually is, on that we may agree, or we may disagree.

Your personal remark about me having 'some warped sense of partisanship or loony leftist ideology' is slightly mitigated by the use of the word 'apparently'. In addition nobody has assigned me any talking points that are supposed to make you believe anything. I am a new poster from overseas curious about the Trump Presidency, particularly as now Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister of the UK. I am curious, but still claim the 'inalienable right' to do a bit of thinking about things, thinking that is reflected in what I believe to be my polite responses.

 

If that post is baiting you must have a very short fuse.
I am comforted that you have not chosen to reference any part of the post and detailed why it is baiting, and I assume it is because it isn't there.

 

So abandon your socialist hell and take personal responsibility for yourself. That is the conservative way after all is it not?

 

I apologize for our Trump supporting righties. For whatever reason, they believe anyone not fawning over our POTUS is an evil communist loving lefty that wants to see America fail. They also dislike foreigners because Trump is afraid of them and makes them fearful of them. It helped him win the election. Well, that and the fact that most lefties didn't really like Hillary either so they decided not to vote. I for one welcome you here and am eager to read your posts!

 

Thank you.

I am not a completely politically ignorant person, but I have been prompted to come here mainly because of the change of Prime Minister in the UK, and the connection Donald Trump has been quick to establish.
I am actually serious about getting a bit more understanding regarding current American political theory and political psychology.
My entree into this discussion has been about examination of language used (as in the word 'again'), and you can blame an American for that!
Part of my degree study was Philosophy, and my teacher was an American, Dr Nancy Gayer. her specialism was a branch of Philosophy she called 'linguistic analysis' which I supposed is translated as 'what do we mean by what we say'.
I think language is a powerful and emotive force, and it is particularly intriguing to see moments where words interact with action.
One thing we saw on the television over here was a rally where people attending the rally, listening to the words, then turned to members of the press and media and were very hostile. The impact of the words heard was pretty immediate in becoming action by the rally attendees. It was almost Shakespearian, but I personally thought it was also very disturbing.
It is a bit odd being seen as a foreigner, but understandable of course. I suppose an American is a foreigner in the UK, technically at least. However when I meet Americans I don't see them as foreigners, more as people, and for the most part very nice people too.

 

Give me an example--any example--of Trump's 'racist demagoguery' please. But give it to me in full context backed up by any credible source. If you cannot do that, accusing him of 'racist demagoguery' is maliciously repeating malicious assigned talking points which no honorable person should be willing to do.

 

It's not the fact you're baiting (which you most certainly are, but all liberals. i.e., philosophers, do it, so it's not unexpected). It's not because you're a foreigner either. Fact is... you want to discuss feelings. "What does the word AGAIN mean to you? When do you think Trump is referring to when he says AGAIN?"

Not my cup of tea, but you and Walter should get along famously. He loves to talk about his feelings, too.

 

Believe me, if the government had allowed me any option to do so, I would have. That is the problem with government run anything. It allows few if any options or choices to the people other than those in government and the very rich.

 

The entire post is baiting. And if you cannot see that, there is no point in me explaining it.

 

Absolutely mitigated. "Apparently" = as far as one can know or see, allowing for the unseen to change perception. Just as your "I presume" allowed you some wiggle room in your inference. You absolutely brought the never ending drum beat of the left re slavery into it with pretty strong inference that 'again' could or possibly might include slavery and it might not and/or whatever good was back then cancelled out the bad of slavery. (Your Post #3043.)

You say your educational discipline is philosophy? Then you should have studied at least something of the interpretations of innuendo, reading between the lines, the use of double entendre or various other forms of word play in influencing others, etc. At least I did when studying philosophy.

However my professional discipline, in part, was journalism. I was trained to be a word smith who would leave no question as to my meaning or intent with the written word. While I don't always strictly adhere to my training, the straining at gnats academic style that is more suggestive than precise is quite annoying to me.

 

What you describe as a fact is most certainly wrong.
When have I said i want to discuss 'feelings'?
In terms of the word again, I asked which point in the past was being referred to, i did not ask what again means to you, read back if you wish to refresh your memory.
Who is Walter when he's at home?

 

Yes I realise that you see no point in explaining your mistake.

 

Hmm. Okay I will explain why your post is baiting when you explain without annoying suggestion and innuendo exactly how I made a mistake.

 

I mentioned slavery amongst other things, like the moon landings, and the Civil War and the work America has done in gene therapy. That you deliberately chose to write a riff on slavery alone speaks more to your preoccupation than mine.
I said that part of my degree was a study of philosophy, but it wasn't my 'major'.
Thank you for saying what in your opinion I should have studied, however I am left with what I actually studied.
You say you are a wordsmith, and I said that part of my study was linguistic analysis, so there we have some sort of convergence, but you seem to be saying close examination of meaning in words is something that irritates and frustrates you. Indeed by referencing innuendo and the like, you are extending an invitation to second guess what is being said in addition to paying attention to what is actually said. Sadly being a mind reader is not my strongest suit, and the things you listed, innuendo and double entendre and word play are much more easy to spot in a verbal conversation than in a written exchange in my experience.
I appreciate you taking the trouble to respond, and someone once said that America and the UK are separated by a common language, so I accept that as a foreigner to you, you might have difficulty in understanding me.