Swing-state households would lose at least $70G within first year of Green New Deal, study finds

why did we need to go to the moon, sometimes progress is hard, but we push on

"We choose to go to the Moon! We choose to go to the Moon...We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too"

 

Subsidies for fossil fuels are a myth. They get the same tax breaks all corporations get. Wind and solar on the other hand truly do get government subsidies and couldn't survive without them

 

What forces them to spend 70k is the increased cost of every modern convenience and increased taxes that will be the result of the green new deal.

 

See post #77

 

Even if that was true how long are these subsidies supposed to go on? At some point a business model has to be able to pull it's own weight.

 

Care to expound on these subsidies to those industries you speak of!

 

Did going to the moon cost every household in America 70k per year? That's the subject here even though the left has rather successfully tried to distract from that.

 

Your allegation is WRONG!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamese...more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/17/18624740/fossil-fuel-subsidies-climate-imf



https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2017/09/29/nuclear-subsidies-are-bad-energy-policy/

 

I was pretty specific I thought in talking about America but maybe not. I have no idea about the rest of the world and their energy policies.
Read the OP again. It's about America not the world.

 

Thank you for establishing that you FAILED to actually READ the report because it discussed US subsidies too.

 

I ignored the IMF analysis of so called subsidies in the US because we have none. They get the same tax breaks as every other corporation. Other countries as I said I have no idea about

 

We subsidize farmers as well, and thanks to Trump's trade war, we've REALLY been subsidizing them. Oh, and also sugar growers and ethanol producers. The list of govt. subsidies is almost endless, but god forbid we try and spend some tax dollars to get off the fossil fuel tit.

 

Another massive load of bovine excrement!

 

From the article: "The overall price tag of the Green New Deal in other studies have been pegged at $93 trillion." $93 trillion, eh? Do you think that seems a tad high? Do you know the U.S. entire GDP is under $20 trillion?

 

We do subsidize farmers but don't subsidize fossil fuel.

 

The 93 trillion is over ten years I believe

 

"Here's a look at some subsidies in President Obama's 2012 Fiscal Year budget:

-$126 million for wind

-$340 million for bio fuels

-$457 million for solar

-$452 million clean coal

-$800 million for nuclear

Oil and gas get even more of your money through tax incentives, deductions, depreciation and investment credits. Those total about $3.6 billion a year, according to the Administration."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/its-all-your-money-paying-for-energy-subsidies

 

You might as well say it's going to cost a million gazillion dollars. That's as believable as any other figure you've cited.

 

I'd need to see the specifics of what Obama called subsidies for fossil fuel. Your link comes up blank

 

Just because you don't believe them doesn't make them untrue. I've looked and I've asked others to find dramatically lower numbers but neither I or anyone else can find any. Anybody that crunches the numbers on this comes in at the 50k to 100k mark.

 

Royalty payment reductions are the only thing on that list that could qualify as subsidies and it would be interesting just where and why they were reduced. You really can't compare any tax breaks the oil industry gets to wind and solar subsidies that are the only thing keeping those industries up and running.

 

All tax breaks are subsidies. If you owe 20% in taxes, and I reduce that amount because you're such a special vital industry, you're being subsidized by me. Well, by the tax payers.

 

Kind of like lying about obamacare. that it would reduce costs, even putting the word affordable in the title. Is there a single thing about obamacare that is affordable, anything? Maybe they should call it the Affordable Green New Deal then democrats will fall for it hook line and sinker. That is a proven tactic.