Swing-state households would lose at least $70G within first year of Green New Deal, study finds

Liberals keep screaming BS but none have presented alternative estimates. I've looked all over and the estimates range from 50k to 70k. If you can find lower estimates I'd be glad to look at them. It seems like the democrats strategy here us to present no estimates at all.

 

They don't have to provide other estimates.

All they have to do is prove yours wrong, and that is what they did.

 

My point was that my personal preference towards sustainability was extremely costly. I literally just spent $1,200 on a chicken coop, chicks, and starter feed to close the loop on the eggs I buy.

Even at free range prices charged at the farmers market I won't break even for 4 years, and that's assuming they live entirely on kitchen scraps and foraging, aren't eaten by predators, and lay 4 eggs a week each, every week.

The Green New Deal is **** because it's a bastardized, plagiarized, absolutely terrible plan that does exactly what the original author said specifically not to do.

 

The Competative Enterprise Institute is Chuck and Dave!

 

What about my glow in the dark strippers I paid for?

 

Wall to wall carpeted chicken coop sounds groovy..

 

My wife has a strong preference for buying things on the internet, with the expectation that I will make reality out of completely fraudulent claims.

Nonetheless, quality construction would have run at least $600 for the coop alone.

 

100% nuclear grid. Problem solved, move on.

 

Makes me recall when the extreme right was DEMANDING taxcuts alleging that it was "my money". They would add Federal and state tax rates to property tax rates in order to PRETEND that they were being "overtaxed" even though those taxes were based on entirely different sources of individual assets.

This is the same bovine excrement "math" being used as fearmongering.

There is zero substance to the clickbait OP.

 

Until the next Chernobyl or Fukishima in your neighborhood!

 

Don’t worry.

You have no idea what the number is based on either. They don’t tell you anything of substance beyond the headline.

And they certainly aren’t going to tell you that the Competative Enterprise Institutue is Charles and David Koch.

The figure is so obviously absurd that it’s amazing that they offered it up to the public. Of course, it wasn’t amazing that the usual right wing mouthpieces didn’t mindlessly parrot it.

 

Lol...Ignorant scare-mongering aside, the fact is that we will have to transform the way we eat, move around and use resources as the climate changes and the world's population grows.
Instead of sticking their heads in the sand or trying to blame scapegoats, intelligent people are looking for solutions.
The reactionaries will hate them all, but they are on the wrong side of history, as usual.

 

Let's look at PV solar:. For a typical household, the cost is between $20-30k. If that is amortized over 5 years, like a typical car loan, for 20k that would be about $300 per month, minus the cost saved for electricity. After five years, you get "free" electricity. That's well within reach of most households. However, it is easy to see that they plonk down more money for the shiny new car every three years, which rapidly depreciates, instead of investing into the future. After all, getting solar panels installed on your roof is not much more fun than getting a root canal, and doesn't come with bragging rights.

 

My mother-in-law has chickens, clearly if you're only interested in the monetary profit for the eggs, it's not going to give it to you. It's a hobby and that's how it should be treated.

However, for society as a whole sustainability is not a choice it is a must. The sooner society starts focusing on it the better it is. I thought conservatives would see that point because they are supposedly about conservation. now they have to show us that the conservation is not just about money but also about the environment.

 

And sure enough, there are three threats devoted to this single topic in the forum. Shows you that our conservative friends are sifting through the internet day in day out for BS on the other side, and mindlessly post it.

 

Since this “study” presented no hard data, or list the assumptions this is based on, you don’t have much of a point.

It’s hard to refute even the obviously ridiculous when you have no idea what it is based on.

Of course, Fox is assuming that you never bother to ask that question in the first place.

And, judging by the way the usual suspects have stepped up with their equally fact free attempts to defend this nonsense, Fox knows that it’s audience never looks beyond the headline.

 

Don’t confuse them with facts.

They’ll whine and wail about the payback on alternative energy, and then go right out and spend three times as much money on a $75K truck that loses $20K the moment the papers are signed.

They don’t see anything adverse about throwing that kind of money away on a depreciating asset (monster truck, boat, bike, RV), but invest it in something that saves them money......we can’t have that!

 

As I thought you can find no estimate of cost per household out put out by proponents of the green new deal. I can't either. Ask yourself why.

 

Do a little research and you'll find many estimates of cost all within this range. If you can find substantially lower estimates feel free to present them. So far all I'm seeing in here is denial.

 

According to #43, the OP is dead.

 

Another true believer who refuses to crunch the numbers and thinks we can "transform the way we eat, move around and use resources" with no economic effect.

 

The OP is crushed under its own weight of failure.

 

No. It shows how stupid the study is. They're trying to claim that the Green Deal would cost $8 trillion dollars in the first year, and that doesn't strike you as a little bit of exaggeration? Really?

 

Not if you factor in the increased cost of everything from food to fuel and really every necessity of modern life that will go up in cost. The number in this particular article is on the high end but they all range from fifty to seventy thousand per year per household and as I said the proponents are running from presenting any cost estimates whatsoever. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd?

 

IT’S JUST A SLOGAN AND A RANDOM COLLECTION OF DUMB IDEAS: Green New Deal to cost up to $100,000 per home in first year.