Do Americans Support Impeaching President Trump?

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    There is zero evidence that Trump pressured Ukraine. Stop peddling that fake news.
     
  2. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    The evidence is that Trump sought assistance from a foreign government against his domestic political opponent while he simultaneously and unilaterally held up hundreds of millions in military aid and then tried to hide, lie about, and obstruct an investigation into the complaint about that action.
     
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    There was a massive recession in 2010. What's Trump's excuse?
     
  4. Junkieturtle

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    There is zero evidence that Biden specifically pressured Ukraine to get them to protect his son. Are you going to stop with that?
     
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    You guys should go ahead and take the impeachment vote instead of doing Kabuki Impeachment.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wonder why there's "no evidence" of why he quid pro quo'd them.

    Also, there is evidence, but you go ahead.
     
  7. MrTLegal

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    As 538 notes, the announcement of an impeachment inquiry is the start for a series of necessary steps. But you should be confident that the impeachment vote is coming.
     
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    There are multiple investigators, both domestic and Ukrainian, who have announced that there was zero evidence of wrongdoing by any of the Bidens. You go ahead.
     
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    Really.

    Tell us who investigated it and show me the documents showing there was "zero evidence".

    Show me the documents.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. That's not how impeachment has ever been done.

    Let me know when the chickenshits take the vote. Then we can start having fun.
     
  11. superbadbrutha

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    Show the documents of Biden's corruption.
     
  12. Junkieturtle

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    We know Biden pressured them. He admitted to it, just like Trump. But he didn't admit to doing it to protect his son, just as Trump hasn't admitted to pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political opponent. These two situations are pretty much exactly the same, but for you guys Biden is the wrongdoer while Trump hasn't done anything wrong.

    The rest of us honest folks say lets investigate them both. But you sold your honesty in 2016 so I guess that's to be expected.
     
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    They beat him at the ballot box last time. Why would 2020 be any different? You have a severely flawed and stained candidate at the moment. I realize that that doesn't register in the circles that you operate in. However, that doesn't change the facts as they stand today.
     
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    Yeah you can take your last comment and shove it up your turtle hole.

    Trump never admitted to pressure anyone, there was no quid pro joe on the call, and the Ukranian president said he wasn't pressured to do anything, and there is a law signed by Clinton allowing such an investigation SPECIFICALLY with Ukraine.

    If you supported the Russian collusion investigation and you're having trouble with this one, you might be the one who sold your honesty in 2016.
     
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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

    So I guess all those entities from around the world all decided that Hunter Biden needed protecting.
     
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    You must have missed the part where he was asked to resign because Biden AND OTHER US reps wanted the investigation of the company to stop, or they were not getting the money.
     
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    I had no problem with investigating Russian collusion, just like I have no problem with investigating Biden. I didn't believe the collusion was real, because Trump may be a lot of things, but I don't believe him to be a Russian puppet. He's far too self-obsessed to be serving anyone but himself.

    Trump was withholding agreed upon aid from Ukraine, despite objections from his staff. He then releases it not long after making his request.

    And just today, we see Trump asking China to get involved with Biden as well. The same behavior with a different foreign government, and one with which we do not have a treaty that says he can ask them to investigate U.S. political opponents.
     
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    Yeah that excuse makes total sense.

    Biden told the guy who was investigating his son's company he wasn't getting the 1 billion, because the prosecutor wasn't investigating OTHER corruption.

    Good thing Trump is investigating it so we can find out which version of the story is true, eh?

    From your source:

    National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

    Biden wasn't the only Obama official going after him. We already know that, and we know who the director and deputy director of the FBI was at the time. The guys who have both been fired.

    You keep going with your story.

    I'll go with the one that points out Hunter Biden had no experience or qualifications to be receiving $50k a month from Burisma.
     
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    First of all, if a "political opponent" is engaged in criminal activity, it doesn't get them a pass. This, of course, ignores the fact that Biden hasn't even become the nominee, so no, at this point he's not Trump's "opponent".

    Secondly, if you want to proceed along the lines of "Clearly Hunter Biden's skills and abilities are why he got $1.5 billion from the Chinese and millions from Ukraine" you go with that.
     
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    Relying on Trump to find you the truth is a really poor strategy.
     
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    He's been destroying leftists for the last 3 years.

    I'll stick with that.
     
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    He's a major candidate for president, he is every bit an opponent.

    I'm not defending Hunter Biden in the slightest. I don't give a crap about Hunter Biden. He's far from the first child of a powerful person to get a cushy job. And I'm not the least bit opposed to investigating both him and his father. Go for it.

    What I am against is the double standard you're creating where Biden did something bad, but when Trump does the same thing, it's okay. Those kinds of things don't happen when you don't sell your credibility and integrity to vote for a corrupt person(while attacking his opponent as corrupt).
     
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    Oh you mean where they wanted to corruption to stop.

    But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

    It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
     
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