We also have no evidence that they 'witnessed' what they thought they witnessed either. We literally have NO physical evidence of any attempt at bribery. We have the 'implication'. But...that's nowhere close to good enough. It's gonna get owned hard in the Senate.
this isn’t an argument. Uh, we have the transcript itself, and NUMEROUS witnesses corroborating the crimes that were committed. You need quite a bit of evidence they are all lying, and the transcript was altered.
ROFL, yes it was altered by VINDMAN. One of your so-called "witnesses." I do so hope there's an actual recording of the call from the Situation Room, that can most certainly be used as evidence and voice recognition to read into the situation.
What twisted logic purely in the service of letting a criminal president off the hook. So a failed bank robber who gets away is off limits because we don't really know what he was thinking maybe he didn't want to rob the bank in the first place which led to a botched effort but we don't really know what he was thinking so he's not a criminal Right? This is the Trump mentality.
What is the "thing of value" here? An investigation that is happening, that should happen and frankly we shouldn't be condemning the President for this. The VP admitted to strong arming a foreign leader to remove a prosecutor, for an investigation that needed to happen yesterday. Meanwhile, the aforementioned group is caught with its hands in MONEY LAUNDERING. That's the same crime Paul Manafort committed. Do we really want a VP who will abuse his powers to protect family members to become President? No Trump family member has been accused of, much less protected of a crime.
I'm not sure that he'll be re-elected, but I do agree that none of this will have that much effect on the election. I'm disappointed to come to the realization that President Trump was actually correct when he said that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and still get his votes. I really believe that his ardent supporters would come up with some way to justify it. This whole proceeding hasn't moved the needle that much and pretty much not at all with his supporters. I heard that someone did a poll recently and a majority of Republicans actually believe that President Trump is a better President than Abraham Lincoln was ... better than Abraham Lincoln.
It hasn't moved the needle because it is a charade. The dems are in a hurry with the shortest impeachment investigation with the thinnest evidence in American history. They won't even pursue their own subpoena's they are in such a hurry. This is designed to fail in the Senate and all they will do is convince their own die hard followers and no one else. They are not polling well in the states they need to win for 2020.
You let me know when President Warren attempts to pressure a foreign government into investigating a domestic political opponent while she withholds hundreds of millions in military aid and a requested meeting and I will join you in demanding her impeachment. But yea, you need to take up your complaints about the whistleblower (every element having been confirmed by sworn testimony or documents) with the Trump appointed ICIG who found the complaint credible and urgent. And seeing as how neither of those have spoken about trumps demands for an investigation, you cant really quote their "testimony" (or rather, the lack thereof) as anything given that we know multiple Ukrainian officials were told and being pressured to investigate Biden - including by Trump himself in that phone call. And I think if you took a critical eye to the quotes from Zelensky or the Ukrainian ambassador (probably the wrong title, just going by memory), you will see that neither actually discounts the idea that Trump was trying to engage them in an announced investigation for money/meeting - just that such might not have been given directly from trump to them personally.
Not in the House. It was Schiff that claimed the WH would not let the WB testify and demanded the WB testify, that is until it was found out that Schiff had contact with the WB. Of course Schiff for brains lied about that afterward just like he lied about having incontrovertible evidence that Trump conspired with Russia. The gullible then parroted Schiff for brains about the lie that the law protects the WB from being identified.
"Officer we discovered a decapitated body in apartment 203." "Did any of you or anyone else witness the killing" "No, nobody" "Oh well, I guess we'll just have to let it go then."
More like: "Officer, Tom killed Bill." "Did any of you or anyone else witness the killing?" "No but we just assume Tom did it because we don't like him."
The Ukrainians themselves already stated that they were unaware aid was being withheld. This point is moot and a non-sequitor.
The transcript who the president said reflected a perfect call showed the president asking for a favor after Zelensky requested desperately needed Javelin missiles. After Zelensky's request for missiles. Trump asked in the form of a favor that Joe and Hunter Biden be looked into. . Hunter was gone from Ukraine in 2015. Trump never requested that the president of Ukraine look into the billions of dollars in growing corruption that occurred after 2015.Trump purely targeted Joe Biden for no other reason that for political dirt from a foreign government on an American Candidate. Trump never asked for any real information on Ukrainian corruption. We have no use for a 3rd world dictator in the U.S. presidency. Too bad some few individuals are swallowing the President's poison.
Sure, since the House already reached the conclusion it has started with from the very beginning, I'm interested in seeing how far this will go without backfiring.
Did they? Because this Ukrainian official said they knew in late July. https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...l-says-country-knew-of-military-aid-freeze-in
So basically never investigate democrats that are making millions off of corrupt companies in corrupt countries. Got it.
Trump failed to rob a bank? I hope that you understand how absurd that sounds. First, there's a fabricated charge. Then comes the argument: Just because he didn't succeed with the plot that we totally made up, it doesn't make him innocent of what we made up.
Um, no, because the Ukraine government was frequently checking its Reserve Account balance for a month after the July 25th call. You can speculate why someone would do this if they were being informed that reserves were being withheld momentarily; however, its already been reported that two Ukraine officials were unaware that aid was being withheld until approximately a month after the call with Trump. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ine-unaware-aid-holdup-month-after-trump-call Also, Zerkal wasn't deputy foreign minister in July, as far as I'm aware. So I'm not sure how she knows what others are aware of in these circumstances.
What has happened is that this investigation has opened up an entire new universe of people complicit in a cover up. There will be a more subpoenas and indictments before this is over. The Judicial Branch his burning the midnight oil and is finally getting its act together. A number of people, here and elsewhere will be introduced to the concept of "co-equal" branches of government. Trump's belief that Article II allows him to do anything proves that a) Trump is illiterate, b) Barr is Trump's lawyer and a sycophant.
