After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronav

Given the case counts today as compared to the world, the half baked way we are opposing it and the amount of world travel still taking place here, this should probably be called the "American virus".

Between the US and China, there is no question concerning who took care of business. And, while we couldn't do exactly what they did, we didn't bother to do what we CAN do and what we clearly knew that we SHOULD have done.

 

Calls to l”let the virus run its course (after all it is only old people and drains on the economy)
This, of course, yet another lie. He never said it. But, of course, you completely ignored when de Blasio said everyone should go to the park and intended to not cancel the St. Patrick's Day parade.

You also ignore the main stream media's calls that the China Virus is less concern than the flu.

You also ignored Nancy Pelosi telling us all we should visit ChinaTown - racist at its core but she, and you, ignore that we should not have been visiting ANY crowded place.

And when de Blasio took a ride on a crowded subway, telling New Yorkers they shouldn't alter their habits.

Defiance of social distancing

I'm not sure what you're referring to here - that Trump gets within 6 feet of people? He's the President of the United States. His responsibilities are a bit more than yours. His behavior doesn't encourage others to violate social distancing. No one in the world is saying that it's OK for them because it's OK for Trump - unless, of course, you are doing that.

Diminution and dismissal of the threat

See my response to your #1. Then consider that Trump ordered a travel ban from China on JANUARY 31, 2020! How is that diminution and dismissal of the threat?

Advocation for an untested treatment

You're still pushing for dead bodies, aren't you? Hydroxychloroquine is well tested for many conditions. And Trump isn't advocating for it. You can't post a single quote or video of him advocating. He simply reported a bit of hope that the actual medical doctors around him shared with him. It's not Trump offering medical advice without a license, it's the Trump-haters in the Democratic Party, the main-stream press, and even here.

 

Actually, there are actual medical doctors - you know; people who are trained in medicine - who say it has helped. You accuse Trump of practicing medicine? Really?

But you avoided the question. Assuming you are right (you're not but I'll play along), what does that mean?

Are you saying doctors should not be using it? Are you saying that politicians should be making the decisions to ban its use?

Are you saying that the governor of Nevada was actually trying to save lives when he banned hydroxychloroquine for Wuhan virus? If so, then was he trying to harm prisoners in the Nevada prison system when he hoarded the drug for the prison system?

 

What you are not being honest about is that Trump is not promoting any treatment. He repeated a bit of news that offered hope. And none of the other 20 such treatments in testing have had the success in numbers that hydroxychloroquine has had.

These anti-hydroxychloroquine arguments amaze me in just how much people hate Trump and are willing to let people die because of their hate.

 

Yes and there are medical doctors who are quacks
I am more than happy to be convinced it is effective

All you have to do is post a peer reviewed meta-analysis of the data

BTW THIS is the analysis of the French research that everyone was quoting

https://www.redactionmedicale.fr/2020/03/Review_20_03_20_001[1].pdf

In other words the study authors “cooked the books”

Got a research paper for me to read?

 

Please quote the research that backs this claim

 

There's a new report today that President Macron in France went to the clinic where the hydroxychloroquine was tested. They just did a test of between 1000 and 1100 patients. Over 900 were helped by hydroxychloroquine.

You really are calling for people to die to help your anti-Trump propaganda.

 

Backs what claim?

 

Okay

Link me to that report please

 

Please quote the research that backs that claim

 

There's no long-term, double-blind, research on Hydroxychloroquine for the Chinese Virus doesn't exist. So, until it does, you think we should just let people die? How do we test it? Take 200 patients, as another Trump hater here suggested, and give the drug to 100 to see if it saves any of them and give a placebo to the other hundred and see if they die?

Forum rules just won't let me say what I want in response to this... Better just leave it alone.

 

I have NEVER said they have no new cases. In fact THEY say they have had some - an increase enough for them to take steps back toward their attack on the disease.

I do not take the first word of China as true. In this case, we have multiple sources concerning what's going on in China.

If you disagree with something, then say so. But, please be prepared to defend in on the basis of real information - and without your selfserving and fake assumptions.

 

Do you think you should increase the mortality rate with a drug that may or may not work or even increase the severity?

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/7/21209539/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-clinical-trial

 

I have never heard that ridiculous claim on this board.

Medical science faces this problem many times. Doctors know who to contact for real information on medical practices.

What YOU haven't answered is why Trump thinks he needs to give information contrary to medical science to the general public.

Surely you don't believe DOCTORS are listening to him instead of listening to CDC, perhaps the Surgeon General, and other resources of medical science.

 

No link yet; the news video of the visit was shown on TV tonight, released by Macron's office. I'm sure the links will show up soon enough.

In the meantime, here's one from National Institute of Health:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine-potential-therapy-covid-19-begins

Until the Deep Staters at CDC complete their months or years long studies, do we let people die who might be saved? Or do we leave the practice of medicine to the doctors and their patients?

 

Contrary to medical science? Then why are doctors giving the medicine? And, no, I don't think doctors are listening to Trump; he's listening to them. Trump didn't make this up or pull it out of thin air. Trump is repeating the stories of hope that he's hearing from actual medical doctors. It's not Trump giving this medicine to thousands of patients, it's doctors giving it to thousands of patients.

 

And the ONE small study that purportedly showed a positive in vivo effect has been shown to be dubious at best

Your link is to a trial

Lots of trials have been aborted because of overall negative outcomes. The CAST 1 and CASTII trials come to mind where whoopsie! people taking the drug were dying faster than those not taking it

I wonder if this drug has been touted as effective by anyone other than Trump we would have seen this conspiracy theory thinking around “you are only withholding it because you hate Trump”

 

A few MAY be giving it but they are controlling that decision making through proper trials

We are still not sure of the exact pathophysiological changes that this virus initiates. I had the privilege of reading a pre publication paper from Italy (yes I am a health professional) stating that what we are seeing is two different lung pathologies. We are also picking up more and more patients with myocardial damage. Randomly giving a drug with known adverse cardiac effects to patients who may be developing sub clinical myocardial damage is questionable

 

He's promoting that one specific treatment out of more than 20 is effective.

That's not what medical sciencce would say.

If he wanted to encourage the public, he would point out that there is a serious effort to find effective treatments, to produce an effective vaccine, to test uses of serum from those who have recovered, etc.

BUT, he did not do that. He said ONE of the solutions was effective.

WHY did he say that? It's clearly NOT the most encouranging message.

 

It has been touted by doctors and patients. Trump simply offered the stories he heard as hope.

It's no conspiracy theory. You hate Trump. You hate him so badly you're willing to see people dead to keep him from being reelected. That's not theory; it's fact.

 

LOL. Journalists are not a doctor any more that tRUMP.
Thread fail.

 

<Rule 2/3> It's not being given just through proper trials. It's being given to many people by many doctors and they're all trying to tell their stories - the doctors and the patients. The problem is, CNN, etc., won't listen and won't tell the stories.

Doctors have given medications off label ever since there were on-label approvals.

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They are not seeing more reports of myocardial damage. Hydroxychloroquine has been administered in over a billion doses and is very safe. <Mod Edit> Is it without risk? No. Is it without any potential side-effect? No. Neither is aspirin.

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You mean like he did in this story on MSNBC?



Seriously, do you ever check anything you hear on CNN before quoting it on here? If you just did enough research to try to find supporting evidence you'd find the evidence that proves you wrong and I wouldn't have to have that job, over, and over, and over, again.

 

Oh, I forgot to address the plasma thing you said he should be saying - like this:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-touts-plasma-therapy-as-new-experimental-treatment-for-coronavirus-patients

 

Aaaannnnnnd here comes the conspiracy theory

Let us disregard the fact that CNN has nothing to do with publication of clinical trials and blame the fact that this drug, which is totally unproven and may show to be detrimental, is not being used “because you hate Trump”

As for the heart damage - are you not using Google yourself?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763844

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020...new-zealand-consensus-statement#panel-article

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID‐19) and Cardiovascular Disease: A Viewpoint on the Potential Influence of Angiotensin‐Converting Enzyme Inhibitors/Angiotensin Receptor Blockers on Onset and Severity of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Infection

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.016219