Protesting Police Violence Is Critical. But Why Are the Social Distance Shamers Suddenly So Quiet?

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    What is the context of that picture, and how much damage and violence were those knuckleheads directly responsible for?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the protesters are a good thing as they have silenced the most virulent posters over following the mandates set by politicians who are just trying to see how far they could push their power button.
    The Governor of Michigan being a prime example. I dub her Miss Virtue Signal 2020
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    Because going to work and feeding your family increases your risk of catching the virus. rioting and looting a Cheesecake Factory does not.
     
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    Don't know and don't much care about them as individuals.

    Do you think most black, Latinos, etc. are looting and burning? If they aren't, do you think they want the thugs wrecking their community?

    Poverty and lack of opportunity is killing this country. That and this...

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    ... stagnant real wages.

    We need to fix our schools. Better teachers, more money for inner city and rural schools, and better job training for everyone.
     
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  5. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    De Blasio pumped three quarters of a billion more again into the best-funded(and among the lowest-performing) public school system in the country, and it accomplished nothing.
    Why would you think that pumping more money into inner city schools will accomplish anything, when it's never worked before?

     
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    Any spikes will be blamed on reopening and will ignore what all the protesters spread to each other. The MSM will find a way to blame it on Trump somehow.
     
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    Trump said his shutdown guidelines were wrong all along, and we all will be fine and should open up, are you saying were not?
     
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    the reopening and the protesters on the right and on the left

    but if we do not have a second wave, proves we never needed the Trump shutdown to begin with and Trump got it all wrong

    I think this virus has been here since last year... Trump shutdown the economy for nothing
     
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    Vouchers can work if they're done with vouchers for enough money to allow poor people to get their child a good education without adding to the voucher.
    It has worked in some places, but more money without changing the way schools work will at best get uneven results. We need better teachers who know how to "pull," not "push" to get students to work. Teach them something they want to know and they work at it. Pull. I don't have to describe "push" because we all experienced it from middle and high school. Quality instructors will cost us money because we won't get them without paying higher wages. How many teachers with the knowledge to teach CAD-CAM and the ability to communicate, are going to start teaching school for $40,000 per year?

    We have to fix the curriculum, too. Kids are taught way too much crap.
     
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    Trump shutdown? Aren’t you tired of your own BS at this point? You going to go with that story when every Democrat, scientist and doctor agreed to and begged, implored shut down or kill 2 million people? Can you sink any lower? Seriously? Trump was convinced to shutdown. Forced into it. If anything Trump would have gone the Swedish route if he didn’t have pressure from all these clever scientists who scared everyone into believing millions would have died. But he was called the idiot while Sweden is being praised. He did what the world did. Trump shutdown? It was a world shutdown. He was leading the effort to open far sooner than every leading Democrat wanted to. And then the hordes of idiots protesting and rioting ignored all the doctors and scientists, because rioting over an average of 10 unarmed Black people killed each year was SO WORTH IT, when double that are killed in Chicago every weekend.
     
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    Some love to rewrite history, the Trump shutdown being the latest. Let them have their way, it gives them some solace in an otherwise very dark existence.
     
  12. LangleyMan

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    If the virus is circulating and people are getting sick, a good chunk of the public will avoid activities where they would spend money. That's why business wants to get the new cases down.

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    If we don't beat the virus back, we're going to damage the economy. Australia put themselves in a great place.

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    The damn near beat the virus in a month.
     
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    Sweden...

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    Better to be Canada with about 3.7 times as many people instead of Sweden.
    Even their chief epidemiologist says they didn't do it right.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/06/04/a-warning-from-sweden/#26718d6d4c56

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7020169/coronavirus-sweden-scientist-method/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/just-7-per-cent-of-stockholm-had-covid-19-antibodies-by-end-of-april-study-sweden-coronavirus
    Why are you lumping protesting and rioting together?

    Anyway, I'm down on anyone making a personal statement by not wearing a mask and social distancing.
     
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    I still say that if everyone had been given an N95 mask and required to wear it or pay a fine the whole thing would have been over in a week. But no, our President found it too expensive even to keep 5/6 doctors on staff let alone buy all the masks he was told to years before. Why that might have cost into the Millions, right?

    The Republican Party is not going to live down the onus of being the ones who gave us Trump for a long time
     
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    So your answer is YES, they need to throw more money at inner city schools, even though it's never worked before.

    The definition of insanity...
     
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    Because they’re connected. The protesters created the riots and the protests are based on a false premise. The protests turn into riots. And the MSM calls the rioters protesters since its apparently peaceful to attack police or loot. If you show video of rioters while labeling them protesters, something is wrong.

    They’re protesting a molehill when the mountain that is inner city violence eclipses the false fears. If black lives mattered then ALL black lives should matter and not just the VERY few that are kill by police compared to the 1000s killed by violence every year.

    Watching how the MSM has covered the events are a microcosm of propaganda and misinformation. Systemic racism hs no basis in statistics or facts. It’s ALL perception and emotion.
     
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    Because you'd be doing exactly that if it was right wing rioting and protesting, but it never is though, is it?
     
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    Sweden...

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    Better to be Canada with about 3.7 times as many people instead of Sweden.
    Even their chief epidemiologist says they didn't do it right.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/06/04/a-warning-from-sweden/#26718d6d4c56

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7020169/coronavirus-sweden-scientist-method/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/just-7-per-cent-of-stockholm-had-covid-19-antibodies-by-end-of-april-study-sweden-coronavirus
    Why are you equating protesting and rioting? Rioting is criminal behavior.
     
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    Because you'd be doing exactly that if it was right wing rioting and protesting, but it never is though, is it?
     
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    Because the MSM called the rioters, protesters day after day. And I only call those being violent, rioters. The MSM called people actually breaking into stores protesters. Uuuum no. Go ask how the MSM can call people flinging missies at cops protesting? Or those bashing in windows and burning cop cars protesters?
     
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    You just made the top ten list and I believe you now own t
    Let's hope not for at least another four years.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    You didn't deal with a damn thing I wrote. All you did is reiterate your obviously absurd claim more money has "never worked." It has worked well in some cases, but I would suggest that it has too often been ineffective.

    I talked about school vouchers which is not giving money to inner city schools at all, then I went on to explain why fixing schools, even if it is done privately, will cost more money.
    No, that would be listening to people who think like you do.
     
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    You don't have to add to it by smearing the vast majority of people who have protested peacefully.
    I haven't seen it, so it's not something they've done generally.
    Why would anyone bother asking them why attacking police is legitimate protest? It isn't.

    It strikes me you have an agenda that includes ignoring legitimate concerns.
     
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    The biggest opponent of school vouchers are teacher's unions. The Democrats are fiercely loyal to unions in general, and teacher's unions in particular.

    Do the math, and don't take my word for it.

    Private School Vouchers Don't Help Kids | American ...
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    American Federation of Teachers logo ... Private school voucher programs lack accountability, fail to protect kids from discrimination and increase segregation. .

    News - Unions Deploy Teacher Strikes to Stop School Choice ...
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    Mar 26, 2020 - Charter schools, a form of school choice, are less-regulated public schools. Chicago teachers unions expressed their opposition to charter ...

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    Feb 6, 2019 - Teachers unions battle school choice. Education | West Virginia educators threaten to strike again over charter schools, vouchers proposals.
     
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    Utah, with less than $7,000/pupil/year spending achieves comparable academic achievement as New York with over $21,000/pupil/year spending.

     
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