Protesting Police Violence Is Critical. But Why Are the Social Distance Shamers Suddenly So Quiet?

My only agenda is calling it like it is. If some people in a crowd are peaceful while others are tossing bricks it’s hard for cops to separate them. The whole crowd has to be treated as violent because you don’t know where the violent people are mixing in.

And if anyone had real honest concerns these protests would revolve around the REAL violence. The REAL threat. And it’s not the police. Do we need to look at REAL data again instead of perceived data? Or REAL numbers of deaths vs perceived? Real violence vs phony irrational fear. Phony identity politics. Phony virtue signaling. Phony concern. You’re racist if you don’t bend the knee? You’re racist if you don’t agree with BLM that was based on a factually proven LIE?

I’ll agree with BLM the day they admit Black people are on more danger of being killed by each other than a white police officer. The thing killing Black people is their own culture of accepting failure and praising the worst among them. The failure of personal responsibility and destroying the family unit that leads to all the violence and crime in the first place. Until then they are lying pandering fear mongers..and some, including their founders are the true bigots.

 

No, the thugs created the riots.

That false premise being what?

No, the riots turned into riots.

As I said, the media haven't been saying it's "peaceful to attack police or loot."

Of course, but that doesn't justify you equating protest with rioting.

The protests are actually about the relationship minorities have with the criminal justice system.

What makes you think they don't care about the other people killed? Because the media don't focus on the larger problem?

Of course.

Take Ferguson, MO. Poor people were dumped into a housing project in a suburb where most people spend their time in their air conditioned home or their backyard. Poor folks went into the street to get out of their sweatboxes, some of them got into trouble with the cops (no surprise with nothing to do), and there was a riot on a few blocks of the main street. Weeks went by, outside agitators showed up, and the rioting was still confined to a few blocks. The media, from Fox News to MSNBC, made it seem like all hell was breaking loose.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation interviewed a middle-class black guy in his yard (you could see a nice neighborhood behind him) one block off the main street. The guy said nothing was happening on his street and the biggest problem he had was getting around the police lines to his two jobs.

I live part of the year in Canada and most of them (a) think we're unhinged, and (b) are damn glad they aren't living here.

You're willfully blind to the problem. I don't agree with H. Rap Brown on much, but he was right to say, "Racism is as American as apple pie." Whites, Latinos, blacks, Asians--no group is free of racism. We tend to focus on white racism because it has the largest impact.

Racism is like a rock in our collective shoe. Younger people have grown up in a society with less racism and many would like to dispense with it entirely. As someone who taught high school and adults, I've seen the change it attitudes over the years.

 

I'm not like you, so don't project your crap on me.

 

Okay, I guess we'll wait until the right wing riots/protests break out, and we'll see how evenhandedly and fair your assessment of them goes.

How long you figure we'll have to wait?

 

Which is more important: income, or life?

Everyone is suffering in some way due to this virus, some far more than others. With virtually no leadership on the national level, states and cities have to fend for themselves. A balance must be found between returning to what was once normal and protecting ourselves from a deadly virus.

Look at the recent numbers in virus infections and death counts in the states that chose to open back up weeks ago, and compare to the numbers in states still in some form of full or partial lockdown. Also, compare areas where people refuse to wear masks with areas where masks and social distancing are the rule.

Wearing a mask and keeping my distance is not something I do just for myself ... I do it to protect others from me, just in case I have the virus and don't know it. I stay home most of the time for YOU. I think the word for that is "considerate."

 

Now WHO's come out with the "Well, asymptomatic patients giving off the virus is rare...." So, basically WHO is totally unreliable and the POTUS is right about those funds lol. If WHO's words here can actually be taken with a grain of salt, that means the primary means of acquiring the virus is solid objects and the aerosols in the air.

And said aerosols last for 10 minutes(nothing really earth shattering). I bet even less in the hot summer sun that's going to come. We can return to "normal" fairly quickly, so long as sick people actually stay home like they're supposed to, wash your hands and if anything it appears wearing gloves might be more prudent than masks for actual prevention.(The issue is again, washing your hands after taking off the gloves.)

 

Here is what everyone keeps missing: The vast majority of protesters are wearing masks and trying to keep 6 feet of spacing. It isn't true of everyone but by far most that I've seen here in the West. They are also outside, which also helps.

Additionally, initial evidence suggests that masks may be as much as 6 times more effective than expected at preventing spread.

 

Income is life.

The poverty resulting from an extended lockdown "cure" would be far worse than the COVID disease.

It's all a moot point now, because the leftist riots have cancelled the lockdowns. The leftists out rioting and protesting now are anything but "considerate".

 

Really? That's why you lumped peaceful protestors in with looters and rioters?

Sometimes. Other times, like when the cops pushed a 75-year-old white guy to the ground, the distinction was ignored.

Sometimes.

Violence is only part of the problem. Poverty, poor schools, the impact of racism on the criminal justice system, and many other factors are also involved.

You have way too many grievances over stuff that isn't happening to you while you at the same time ignore or downplay real issues.

I don't accept responsibility for the "white culture" that includes pond scum like this guy...



... or this guy...



These jokers aren't part of anything I support.

I don't think individual black people are responsible for how other black people behave.

Is a screwed up family unit why white people practiced segregation and violence against blacks in the Jim Crow era?

There are racist black people, but that doesn't come with a license for whites to be racist.

 

If you want to talk about who's ignoring what, lets talk about all the people that have been killed due to one cop killing one man. The MSM have ignored anyone killed these past 2 weeks unless its a cop doing the abusing. Black people beating white people are ignored. Black people killing black people are ignored. Its disgraceful what the MSM is doing.

The MSM lumped rioters in with the protesters. Were you not watching the news the past 2 weeks?

There is no racism in the justice system. There is a CLASS problem in the justice system. Go ask OJ how expensive lawyers compare to one assigned to you?
Go look at how few wealthy and BLACK athletes, entertainers and businessmen are in prison compared to poor blacks from the inner city. Its not racism. Its MONEY!

And poverty is directly related to single parent households, which you can NOT blame on racism. And since over 70% of blacks are single parents, do the math. And the schools aren't the problem. Its the students. Bad students make for BAD schools. You can take an inner city kid and toss them in the best school in the country and they'll be expelled in a week.That experiment has been tried. Lousy parents produce mostly lousy students. No fathers. No role models. Mothers who don't have the time or simply don't give a crap make for lousy students.

BLM is outraged over grievances that ARE NOT HAPPENING TO THEM. Even funnier are all the white people standing with them confessing their sins for being white. Its funny, because its flying right over your head. 9 unarmed black people shot last year. 9. How many black people are there in the US? Now do some basic math and tell me what percentage of black people are effected by cops shooting them? Go ahead. I'm waiting=) And as a reminder 18 white people were killed in the same manner, but who cares about those lives, eh? You want to try again about how serious the problem truly is and who its actually effecting?

You might not think a culture is responsible for how individuals behave but it all went whizzing over your head again. NO WHITE PEOPLE OWN SLAVES NOW. And there aren't any living slaves or anyone who knew a slave living in this country. Not a single white person alive today was a slave owner and only a fraction could be considered true racists. BUT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE BEING BLAMED FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE FEW. You are just NOT getting it=)

What white people practiced in Jim Crow era has ZERO to do with how black people behave today. By that logic, being Jewish I shouldn't be able to function because my great grandparents were dehumanized by Nazis in the 40s? And my people were enslaved since the dawn of ****ing time. How did Jews deal with such atrocities yet not allow it to prevent them from leading successful lives? I'll give you a hint? Prioritizing education and family values since the dawn of time.

Plenty of black people certainly think perfectly innocent white people are supposed to apologize for the racists of the past. Check that. There are NO INNOCENT WHITE PEOPLE ANYMORE. Or have no not been paying attention to what BLM supporters are saying and doing?





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Well, by all means let's cut teacher salaries that haven't kept up with inflation for 30 years.

If teachers run the system as many Trumpers claim, how come they didn't give themselves a salary increase?

Have any answers?

 

A few simple answers- bureaucracy, bloat, and corruption.

Crooked teacher's unions and politicians, and the Democrats who love them.

And those are three of the best-funded public school systems in the country.

Typical blue-city dysfunction.

 

I notice you didn't address what I wrote in my post. You're like Trump spokesmen who take every question as a license to propagandize.

Don't fret--they'll get around to whooping up regular crime.

I watched the Amero-centric, navel-gazing BS where idiots argue about America being the greatest country, etc. blah, blah, blah. We've already killed 100,000 people while other countries have better records.

I chose to ride the pandemic out in British Columbia (5m people). This is where they stand today:



Multiply every number by 66 to see what is comparable to our population.

Dead: 11,022 (167 x 66)
New cases: 660 (10 x 66)
Hospitalized: 990 (15 x 66)
ICU: 264 (4 x 66)

Trump failed.

Did you see where New Zealand opened up completely because it has eradicated the virus? Australia...

It's both.

It's both.

You think the problem with marriages has nothing to do with the way blacks are treated? What poverty does to families.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/03/education-nonwhite-urban-school-districts-funding-tax/585691/

You just make up crap.

So, then, blacks are predisposed to treat their kids badly?

Every day black people walk out their front door it's "HAPPENING TO THEM" because the threat exists that it might. Women face a threat every time they walk out the front door. You're insensitive to what happens to people. It flies right over your head.

I see. No problemo. It's all made up to take away your rights.

Do you really think this is about a few people getting shot?

Good grief. You really don't get it.

I don't think anyone knows what it's like to walk in someone else's shoes. I've lived with black people, knew them well enough to have seen and learned some of what they face, and heard from them how they felt about it. They put up with a lot of crap, but more than that they face real dangers in their interactions with police. White kids, for example, are less likely to get arrested and prosecuted for drugs even though they're just as likely to use.

We're all just reacting to the culture we find ourselves in.

I can't offer a sincere apology for what I know I haven't done. That said, I support help for any group that is unfairly treated as compensation for what they face.

I haven't heard that.

 

So what?

 

So that's why teachers didn't give themselves a raise in real wages.

 

You keep saying that giving inner city schools has "never worked before." That's more wrong than you would ever imagine.

 

People really need to start ignoring this hysterical BS and just start living their lives again.

 

Do liberals actually believe this dishonest BS?

 

The money just goes straight into the pockets of sleazy teachers unions, who then turn around and donate the money to sleazy Democratic politicians, who turn around and shove more tax money at the sleazy unions, and on and on and on.

 

Let me know when you stop pretending that the lockdowns are about people getting haircuts.

 

Which would be...?

No, rioters show up and start looting and burning.

Okay.

The protest is about a lot more than police violence.

 

COVID deaths in Sweden: 4,500
Population of Sweden: 10.2 million

Overall death rate: 0.04%

Seems like a small price to pay to preserve basic freedoms for millions of people, especially when you consider the fact that at least two-thirds of people who died from COVID were going to die soon anyway.

 

So it's the teacher's unions, and the Democrats that love them, that are preventing the voucher system that you said can work, that's what.

 

They didn't, because they couldn't. The have to rely on the teacher's unions to bargain for higher wages for them, and the teacher's unions are more interested in wallowing in bloat and corruption than increasing teacher's salaries.

 

Citations needed.

I can give you plenty of examples of funding for inner city school's being increasing dramatically, with no subsequent academic performance improvement as a result.

I've already given the the example of De Blasio's recent $750 million dollar failure in NYC, and here's a classic example of spectacular failure.

America's Most Costly Educational Failure | Cato Institute
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