Are Democrats turning into fascists?

You are confusing ideals with policies.

Marxist socialism - with its ideal of prosperity for workers - was ahead of its time; global conditions meant the ideal was first implemented by means of the communist revolution in Russia, then in fascist take-overs in Italy and Germany....because of course the ruling classes wouldn't consider a more just allocation of society's economic production.

As for American progressives being "big government authoritarians", that's just your self-interested ideology speaking, because a policy of higher taxes on people earning >$400,000 is NOT "authoritarian big government" (though Dems. have to get the electorate to vote for it first.....that's why I promote an alternative to neoliberal orthodoxy, namely MMT).

Your error in that paragraph is simple: Southern Democrat plantations (and slavery) have nothing to do either with with Marxist ideals, or with "Progressivism". Obviously. That is so self-evident I'm surprised I have to point it out to you.

Refuted above.

 

Sorry if some facts get in your way:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-for-trump-moment-at-church-damaged-in-unrest

"Trump’s 17-minute journey to the church came after he faced intense criticism over his decision to remain out of sight on Sunday as violent demonstrations swept cities across the country. He also was taken to a secure bunker on Friday night after protesters clashed with Secret Service officers a few hundred feet from the White House front door.

With his path cleared by tear gas, concussion grenades and mounted police, Donald Trump strode across Pennsylvania Avenue on Monday evening to stand before the church of U.S. presidents and reinforce the get-tough message he had just delivered to the nation.

The 200-year-old house of worship has hosted every president since James Madison. It sustained minor damage from a fire set during Sunday night demonstrations sparked by the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police last week.

Phalanxes of District of Columbia police and National Guard, plus Secret Service and other law enforcement personnel, had moved less than an hour earlier on a peaceful crowd gathered just across from the White House to protest the death of a black man in police custody. Police on horseback shoved demonstrators while other officers lobbed tear-gas canisters and grenades that make a deafening noise and blinding light.

I'll wager Leftists generally don't like Allah, any more than the bronze age Hebrew god....and indeed the creator of the universe is defamed in both the OT and the Koran....

Unfortunately the Bible's capacity to achieve peace in the world was destroyed 2000 years ago, when most of the early church fathers insisted the Hebrew OT, with its portrayal of a bronze age genocidal god, remain part of the evolving Christian New Testament telling the story of the Jewish "Prince of Peace" (google the Marcion heresy).

And it's the OT that Muhammad took as his inspiration for "the One True God" (allah) in the 7th century Koran.

(Ironically, one thing Muhammad did get right is his acknowledgement that Christ was a prophet of God, not God himself, as stated in the Trinity mythology....)

What is urgently needed in our time is a recognition that all scripture is the word of men, not the Word of God.

 

You really don't want to debate. It's obvious.

 

We know you don't know ****.

We know it, sure we do, don't we? I thought we did, maybe we'll all have a conversation and find something to debate.

Or maybe we wont, especially with those who think they are plural instead of singular.

 

Probably because I will get beat up?

 

So you think your special?

 

You've already demonstrated that the caliber of your rebuttals are limited to just one line smug remarks.

Who the **** would want to debate someone like that?

You've obviously have mistaken me for someone who takes you seriously.

 

You mistake yourself for the same reason. Obviously. One-line replies target short liberal attention spans.
Pithy works.

 

He thinks?

 

Marx did not add a thing to Adam Smith.

"The directors of such companies, however, being the managers rather of other people's
money than of their own, it cannot well be expected that they should
watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which the partners in
a private copartnery frequently watch over their own. Like the stewards
of a rich man, they are apt to consider attention to small matters
as not for their master's honour, and very easily give themselves a
dispensation from having it. Negligence and profusion, therefore, must
always prevail, more or less, in the management of the affairs of such a
company. It is upon this account, that joint-stock companies for foreign
trade have seldom been able to maintain the competition against private
adventurers. They have, accordingly, very seldom succeeded without an
exclusive privilege; and frequently have not succeeded with one. Without
an exclusive privilege, they have commonly mismanaged the trade. With an
exclusive privilege, they have both mismanaged and confined it."
PROJECT GUTENBERG, AN INQUIRY INTO THE NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE WEALTH OF NATIONS., By Adam Smith, 1776.
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/3300/pg3300.txt

 

Mussolini's Fascist Party and Hitler's National Socialist and the Communist Parties competed for political power while ignoring their obvious ideological compatibility. Both parties embraced the same totalitarian model of government.

"Between his assumption of power in 1933 and the Soviet-Nazi Pact of 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union were, or pretended to be, on the worst of possible terms. They assailed each other with abusive material stressing the ideological incompatibility of Communism and National Socialism, while studiously ignoring the obvious similarities between the two systems...." Ronald Hingley, "Joseph Stalin" p. 292.

I can only think of one significant ideological difference between Marxism and Fascism. Can you think of any?

 

I read your post diligently..

And this poor ass uneducated redneck refutes it .

 

A real political spectrum would have totalitarianism on one end and anarchism on the other.

Where would you place Marx and Lenin?

"'The eradication of state power' which as a 'parasitic excrescence'; it's 'amputation'; it's 'destruction'; 'state power is now becoming outmoded'; these are the expressions used by Marx about the state when appraising and analyzing the experience of the commune." All this was written a little less than half a century ago; and now it is like having to carry out excavations in order to bring a knowledge of undistorted Marxism to the broad masses." "The State and Revolution", VI Lenin, Penguin, 1992p, p. 49.

 

This is done daily by Democrats. I try to reason with them. I post things like exceptional videos to explain fascism to them and why it is not possible for Trump nor myself to be fascists. When a party fights back,. I do the same to the party doing the fighting. You write as an authoritarian writes. I do my best not to sound like you sound.

I am not as concerned over Russia as I am over China. Russia would be defined as you do by our own CIA if true. Let's see what the CIA has to say.

A semi Presidential Federation

conventional long form: Russian Federation
conventional short form: Russia
local long form: Rossiyskaya Federatsiya
local short form: Rossiya
former: Russian Empire, Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
etymology: Russian lands were generally referred to as Muscovy until PETER I officially declared the Russian Empire in 1721; the new name sought to invoke the patrimony of the medieval eastern European Rus state centered on Kyiv in present-day Ukraine; the Rus were a Varangian (eastern Viking) elite that imposed their rule and eventually their name on their Slavic subjects

China is still communist. And has managed using Capitalism to get very wealthy.
Main problem with China is what will happen in the Sea adjacent to China especially Hong Kong and Taiwan.

I have talked to Chinese businessmen in CA and sought them to explain China to me. So I value their educated comments most.
I have met a woman from Russia and earlier a man who served the Soviets from Kiev.
I also watch youtube videos and notice that those old 1930s appearing cars are now up to date and modern and appear like Europe's cars.
Residents of Russia say in the Soviet Union it did no good to produce more or better due to the failed system. Today the ambitious can accumulate wealth. And they are accumulating wealth.

 

we all agree the looters and rioters are bad, same as when should all agree white racists and black racists are all bad

 

you do know that not all republicans are Christians
and not all democrats are atheists right?

about 65% of Americans are Christians

Mexico has a much much higher percent of Christians than the USA, they are over 80%

 

That is the same brown goo I used to sell when I was still a Democrat.

Look the other way folks, we only want to help you. Help is the other word meaning rule.

Democrats have many plans to rule your life.

Do they offer their wealth? NEVER

 

What I am waiting for is any Democrat who can post sane and well reasoned argument. Like Diogenes hunting for the honest man, if one shows up, I will know him or her by their light.

 

All refuted in my post #261, which you have not bothered to answer.[/QUOTE]

I located post #261 once you shouted out, hey look at me.

I had not replied due to the fact it was completely unknown to me.
But I have the habit of desiring solid and excellent refutals. When I See one, I will know it by it's light. I see a lot of Democrats posts that are just intended to deceive.

 

Are Democrats turning into fascists?
No. Both political parties court the wealthiest families for donations. Our current President brags that he IS a billionaire, which puts him completely out of phase with the vast majority of Americans (though too many Americans fail to realize this). Fascism became the most successful economic system ever utilized thru history, but it failed miserably in its human rights policies & in peacekeeping. I'm a Democrat, & I certainly have no desire to copy fascism. No Democrat I'm acquainted with would feel comfortable doing that. This is just shoddy propaganda by Republicans to try & stir up discord using fearmongering. It's sad they waste so much energy on continuing to divide us instead of helping bring us back together as a nation & a society again. I don't want to be part of that negativity.

 

The New York Times (and other media) has been taken over in a coup by the Woke Left fascists.

I hope there are enough intelligent Americans on the liberal (small "l") side to see what is happening and stop it before it is too late to save the country.

 

The coup against Trump started the same day he was sworn into office. Obama never had a coup tried against him. And the media was super kind to Obama. Trump committed not even one sin of office when suddenly the media kept attacking him.
I look forward to 4 more years of Trump.

 

Normally we the people are to play the role in our elections. Not now. The Media hit Trump with a full frontal attack the same day he was sworn in and vowed to impeach him. That part failed.

 

Half the country has been indoctrinated by media and DNC elites to hate Trump, and instructed not ever to actually listen to Trump's policies. On the other hand, vote for Biden, regardless of his lack of clarity on policies and not knowing what direction he or Kamala will take the country, to the left or to the far-left. America is a ailing nation for lack of knowledge.

 

First take over college education, then media, then corporations, then the big fish: totalitarian government takeover.