Psaki: Even After Vaccine, You Still Need to Social Distance and Wear Masks

Now you are deliberately misrepresenting my posts. I’ve said there is danger of and instances of social distancing being compromised as a result of too much trust in masks. I’ve provided evidence this is the case. And yes, people like me who can admit the truth and inform others of the truth so they can protect themselves are better equipped to give information to others. Unlike you who prefers to misinform people every chance you get. Even in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence your information is false.

If the country had followed my plan we would rival Australia for infections and deaths per capita. If the country followed my plan today, the pandemic would be over in a month. But you people won’t follow such a plan. You won’t make the sacrifices required because “muh rights”. Remember, you are on record opposing masks yourself in venues they would do the most to stop the pandemic. But you won’t because YOU DON’T WANT TO BE INCONVENIENCED. You deny science because you don’t t want to be inconvenienced You prefer to repeat the same failed plans over and over.

Your misinformation has made people not trust advice on masks or anything else. Your continued whining doesn’t convince anyone to wear one.

Quiz.
1) Did lying about mask efficacy for months as the pandemic spread in the US stop the pandemic? Did telling people who were buying and using masks of their own accord there wasn’t any reason to do do help with future mask adoption or hurt the effort?

2) Did the botched rollout of testing that resulted from not allowing competition stop or slow the pandemic?

3) Did recommending cotton homemade masks even after N95 and equivalent masks became READILY available slow the pandemic? Did lying about the potential protection for the wearer of high quality masks and it’s importance in stopping transmission help or exacerbate the pandemic?

4) Did lying about necessary, effective social distancing even after aerosol spread was well understood slow or exacerbate the pandemic?

5) Did the misinformation that masks can replace social distancing help slow transmission?

6) Did misrepresenting the ability of PCR testing to identify infected and contagious individuals foster trust in government or erode that trust? Did that misrepresentation make people more of less willing to follow government recommendations?

Now I really don’t know if other countries made all those blunders. I don’t care. What I do know, and have presented voluminous documentation to demonstrate, is that all those failed policies and recommendations were made with full knowledge they were in error.

This is not conspiracy, it’s documented, fully substantiated fact. You can call it whatever you like so you don’t have to offend your delicate feelings about government, but you can not refute the facts. You have tried a few times and failed miserably, just like you did with your claim there is no evidence for sterilizing immunity for C19.

It’s my opinion this incompetence and incorrect information from government is a result of ego and lust for power. The pandemic isn’t fake. I see no evidence it’s a product of an evil conglomerate somewhere. It’s a freaking viral pandemic that we all should have been prepared for because of this thing called history.

Politicians and media are taking advantage of the pandemic just like they do every event or disaster. It’s nothing new, scary, or conspiratorial. It’s just what governments and those who make a living sensationalizing events do.

 

So you had this great plan to convince the hundreds of millions in the US to follow? What was this great plan of yours and why don't you explain how you would get the population to follow it. LOL at you writing "muh rights" given that I am against much of the principles of the 1st and many other of the "muh rights"!

Your words have already given tacit approval to two recent posters on this thread to freely go out without a mask

I never knew I had that power

There is only one study carried out so far regarding vaccine immunity and it showed that one in six vaccinated people could still transmit the virus to others. No studies have yet shown that sterilizing immunity for this virus is guaranteed. I notice you went from "vast majority" to "majority". 5 out of 6 is not a "vast majority"

 

It's hard to know when you're being sarcastic.

Even the lamest masks covering the nose and mouth provide some protection to others. Of course, worn improperly, they can increase the possibility of infection for wearers.

There is significant protection for the wearer in something like this respirator that costs less than $50...



with particulate filters like these...



... and you can protect others by covering the outlet of the exhalation valve.



Even if you've recently had COVID-19, you can catch a variant and a mask like the one above can provide you with needed protection.

 

So IOW you really don't understand this. Why am I not surprised considering your love for trump.

 

Great post, Kode.

Sometimes I really wonder why some people feel that a several paragraph post (whether it is their own opinion, or straight up copypasta), based on flawed thinking (and debunked narratives) adds anything to the topic.

You just rebutted a several paragraph post in one short sentence.

"So IOW you really don't understand this."

^And, it was actually that easy (to dismantle that long-winded post).

And, once again back to the OP, as I stated earlier:
It was always a foregone conclusion that masking was (most likely) going to go on for (at least) another year after the vaccine.

 

We do know. The peer reviewed study is released. It's a minimum of 6 months and likely over a year. You just don't know or follow the Science. Are you going to be a Science Denier?

 

Evidence from a vaccine not even approved for use in the US. Funny you never answer my question about how many doses have been administered in the US. LOL

 

So you must have a similar study for the pfizer vaccine? Perhaps you could post a link to it? You can find the answer to your question on the internet. Bit odd of you to keep asking a question that can be easily answered with a few seconds work, one would think that you are trolling

 

There is still no consensus on the length of immunity, nor a consensus on the likelihood of infection by a variant.

Who are you kidding with this stuff?

You might be spreading a variant this very day.

 

I have the antibodies. I cannot catch it or spread it. Are you anti-Science?

 

You still haven't said what level of antibodies you have now. When did you have an antibody test?

 

You wouldn’t follow the plan I followed. It requires personal responsibility and preparedness for a pandemic. If everyone had been prepared to stay home for a month the pandemic could have been stopped in it’s tracks. Unfortunately most people prefer government and other entities provide most things for them. This leaves them unprepared and unwilling to self quarantine. They would rather put on a mask that they were told to wear (even though it isn’t the mask they should be wearing if they adhered to evidence instead of appeal to authority ) and trounce around in public getting infected and infecting others. You want rights to your conveniences more than you want safety for yourselves and others. The bashing of people who don’t want to wear a mask is just a way to assuage the guilt you feel for putting others in danger and a way to justify your own irresponsible behavior by comparing it to those you see as “worse” offenders.

Grown ass adults don’t need my approval. They need facts, which I’ve provided. As opposed to your misinformation.

Let’s not forget you have openly opposed mask usage where it will protect the most people from infection. I’m not opposed to mask usage at all. I want people to have good information to make their own big boy and big girl decisions. Some people prefer to be and act like adults as opposed to needing all their decisions be made for them.

I can tell you from personal experience, it’s great making your own decisions. Like I said, I’m safe, happy, and not a threat to anyone. You folks that depend on government are in danger, a danger to others, and so scared all your posting on Covid is emotion driven.

Yes, misinformation always has consequences. That’s why I correct your errors. I don’t want people to be hurt by misinformation.

Eighty-three percent would be the vast majority if you were referring to votes cast for one candidate in an election!

The vast majority of vaccinated individuals will be unable to infect others. Sterilizing immunity is happening under your nose. I’m sorry you hate the idea, but that’s what the evidence shows.

 

Really? Or are you being sarcastic?

Yep. But we shouldn’t wear lame masks. We should follow the evidence and choose better masks than the “experts” advise.

You are doing a fine service with these posts. We’ve had our disagreements in the past but I couldn’t agree with you more on the issue of proper masks.

That is true.

 

Well, first let me make it clear that I'm not accusing YOU of not knowing medical science.

And, I'm way in favor of all the education campaigns we can muster.

Yes, the culture of Japan and that of the US are VERY different. THEY followed mere suggestions. WE had a major revolt at the same suggestions here. In fact, it got to the point where making actual mandates became required as people were NOT following suggestions.

The education that antimask people need to have is ... civics. Our governments at all levels make decisions on public safety ALL THE TIME. We have laws on seat belts, air bags (both adding to the cost of a car), limits on speech, limits on guns (like you can't shoot in your back in a city), on how fast you can drive, whether you're allowed to use your cell phone, etc. etc., etc.

They need to learn that this is a CIVILIZATION.

And, maybe they need to be made aware that decisions on reducing our COVID pandemic involve more than just THEM. The pandemic spreads because of contact between people - NOT just what one person does by themselvs. So, ONE person doesn't have some special right to infect others by their behavior.

What happens in public (stores, schools, workplaces, churches, Mardi Gras, Spring Break, air travel, public transportation, schools, etc., etc.) is a SHARED ISSUE - NOT THEIR PERSONAL DECISION.

Yes. They need education - in civics. In how to be part of our civilization. In how not to be sociopaths.

 

I don't get this section of your comment at all.

Do you really think people who refuse to wear a mask would be willing to stay isolated in their homes for a month? This sounds just plain silly to me.

And, you seem to completly fail to realize that the decsions on stores, workplaces, entertainment, transportation, etc., etc., are GROUP decisions where what one indiviual does ABSOLUTELY affects all others they encounter.

This IS a civilization. Our government is CONSTANTLY involved in decisions regarding group activity - from speech to car speed to use of guns to construction standards to workplace standards and to large numbers of other topics.

Yes. Someone who wants to be part of our civilization, but can't get it together to wear a mask just plain doesn't belong here. We have methods for creating and administering regulation. If that's just too much to handle, then GO AWAY.

 

That is ONE STUDY. Science NEVER depends on just one study. Obviously, it's good to see progress on this topic, but this study does NOT mean the questions are answered.

The CDC is aware of numerous studies, as that is what they do. Yet, they do not agree with you.

For YOU to think you can decide that this one study is the final answer when the CDC, WHO, and other medial experts do not is NOT good enough.

You don't get to decide that. Decisions such as this affect everyone. You don't get to be the medical expert that decides what this nation gets exposed to.

 

Directly from the actual study you have sourced
". We still do not fully understand how long protection from antibodies may last, and we know people with antibodies may still be able to pass the virus on to others. Right now, it remains vital for everyone to stay at home, even if you have had COVID-19 in the past, so we can stop the spread of the virus, protect the NHS and save lives."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw0EVPVdNK5d9YPvL2_jHmxT&cshid=1613162427895

 

Why is a vaccine that will likely now never get approval in the US relevant to mask usage in the US? Your adenovirus vector vaccine is irrelevant to our discussion but you keep bringing it up. Why do you cite it if it has no relevance to mask usage in the US?

I’ve presented disease prevention and immunogenicity information on the Phizer vaccine to back my claims. I’ve gone into detail on neutralizing antibodies and how they provide sterilizing immunity and what that means for the Phizer vaccine.

 

I’ve been clear you guys would never do what is necessary to stop a pandemic. That’s why I want individuals to have good information so they can protect themselves and their families. You think just wearing very ineffective masks while going on with life will stop a pandemic. Well, it isn’t working. My point is you, as well as those who eschew masks, are unwilling to take serious mitigations to heart. You people who claim to be pro mask are anti mask when it comes to wearing them in situations where they will stop the most transmissions.

So you want “experts” that have been shown to be wrong on almost every point to dictate harmful policy to everyone? I don’t fail to realize any such thing. Did you miss all the places where said states should handle the regulations you are talking about here? I was very clear about my position on Federalism in relation to the pandemic.

Yep. And I’m quite pleased with how my state handled the pandemic. Your state may have not done things to your liking. Or maybe they have done things to your liking but you are still in danger of being infected and not being able to get a hospital bed, but that’s your problem. Vote in better leaders or move. That’s the point of having states.

But you don’t want to wear a mask where it will do the most to stop transmission. What do we do about that? And you are unwilling to self quarantine, which is orders of magnitude better at mitigating pandemics than masks ever can be. Why is just wearing a sub-standard mask the arbitrary cut off point between civilized and uncivilized citizens? Why not tell everyone who doesn’t wear an N95 to go away?

 

So you haven't got a similar study for the pfizer vaccine yet you're happy to give tacit approval to others to not wear a mask after vaccination even though there is one study that shows one in six vaccinated ("immune") people can still transmit the virus on to others. It is the only study we have at the moment so should not be ignored. There is no evidence yet that the Pfizer vaccine will show any better results than the Oxford vaccine. We are not debating efficacy of any vaccine. I live in the UK so it's 100% relevant to me.

You provide a link to an antibody study which states "Staff were told to follow guidance on social distancing and use of personal protective equipment" during the whole of the study period yet you then say that there is no reason to wear a mask after recovery unless there is a new variant (how would you know there is one in your area). The study DID NOT TEST for that - they were not told to not wear a mask

 

I did not ask what you would personally do for yourself, I asked in your plan how you are going to convince the many millions, majority of whom supported the Trump's government yet still refused to wear a mask, to wear a mask. And also explain how you would have encouraged these people to stay indoors for a month.


So we have pro-government supporters refusing to wear a mask and anti-government protestors majority wearing a mask. But of course, you think that they are going to research the pros and cons of masks and delve through hundreds of reports to form a rational opinion on whether to wear a mask or not whereas in the real world reality is different where their conclusion will be "I don't want to wear one". There was even one poster who stated that only cowards wear a mask.

And now back to those masks you described as "garbage". You've continually stated that the SK model should be followed:
"S. Korean PM encourages people to wear reusable cotton masks"

 

Of course I don’t. I’ve clearly stated what my evidence is. You claimed this:

I provided overwhelming evidence sterilizing immunity does indeed exist for this disease. I presented a study confirming it’s existence. You provided another study confirming sterilizing immunity. Then I explained why neutralizing antibodies are the foundation of sterilizing immunity and that the Phizer vaccine immunogenicity data confirms it results in neutralizing antibody titers 2-5 times that seen from natural infection. It’s denial of known science to conclude the Phizer vaccine will not induce sterilizing immunity. I also supplied a link to an “expert” who agrees with me since you like experts better than raw science.

You will have to supply the link. I’ve provided numerous studies and don’t memorize them word for word. However, I have never said there was no reason to not unmask unless there was a new varient. I clearly stated those at risk of severe disease should consider wearing masks after vaccination. I’ve clearly stated those who are not comfortable with the risk of Covid after vaccination ought to consider masks. I implore you to not misrepresent what I’ve said.

 

I’ve told you probably 50 times. I don’t want to convince anyone. I want them to have accurate information instead of misinformation like you and others provide. It would be nice if you and others were physically and emotionally capable of self quarantine but I stated I know you are not. But I can show people the advantages to my way of dealing with the pandemic. I can tell them they can protect themselves and families (and society) by utilizing masks in the home. I can present the irrefutable science backing up my posts intended to inform. But as you are exhibit A, the science doesn’t matter. People will wear masks to varying degrees. Some not at all, some to adhere to the law, some based on “expert” opinion, some to actually prevent transmission to a small degree. But very few will actually wear a mask to it’s full potential. At the end of the day, you are just as anti mask as any Trump supporter. You refuse to wear or recommend masks where evidence shows they can mitigate the pandemic most effectively. You also refuse to admit that the masks still recommend by your authorities are sub standard. You oppose the most effective masks.

Furthermore, your boy Fauci blew the shot we had at convincing a certain demographic to mask. You can’t go around lying repeatedly to some people and then expect those people to take your advice. Nothing you or I can say now can make that go away. It’s done.

And you are a pro government supporter who refuses to mask in denial of science. You don’t want to wear one in certain places. What makes the place people refuse to wear one special? You refuse to recommend masks in the current most important place to do so but you want to force or trick people with misinformation to wear one in other less important places.

A cloth mask is better than no mask. Today they are garbage. Recommending cloth masks when N95’s and equivalent are readily available is borderline criminal. And yes, we should have done what SK did. Encouraged use of the best masks possible and helped people acquire them. Your video addresses the part where they helped people get KN’s as well.

I’ve been clear, Fauci and Co. should have recommended cloth masks here while working to provide N95’s for all. Instead they told people to wear no mask and that they weren’t necessary. That’s the exact opposite of what SK did. It would be interesting to know what the date of that news clip is.

 

LOL. "Accurate information"! Quit lying about me while you are at it. You live in a dream world with no knowledge of how the general population actually act in real life. God! you think that those who refuse to wear a mask because only cowards wear a mask will stay indoors for a month because of information from you. Newsflash - no one would listen to you

 

You are NOT listening. I fully back any effort to better inform the population. And, I've posted in the past and in the last couple days concerning the ineffective and defecctive masks that people wear - something I would back taking action against.

What is not working is that people are refusing to take ANY MEASURE AT ALL.

As for your last sentecnce BACK THAT UP. Do NOT accuse me of crap with ZERO evidence.

This is just more total BS.

More TOTAL BS.

Once again, please stop accusing me of CRAP for which you have NO evidence.

The reason N95 masks were reserved for healthcare workers is that there were not (and still ARE not) enough N95 masks to cover those who are risking their lives to save people who get sick.

Did you seriously not know that???