Alan Dershowitz: "Derek Chauvin Conviction Should Be Reversed on Appeal"

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nope, she is acting a lot like Trump, I have made the same comments earlier regarding her actions
     
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  2. FreshAir

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    yep, if the defense can show any jury member heard that comment, it's gonna be appealed for sure

    guess time will tell
     
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    On the facts he's right but logic seems to have left the room frankly.
     
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    I think Harvard Law Professor { Reversal of Fortune } Alan Dershowitz
    is possibly spot-on.As Interviewed by another legal eagle
    Miss Laura Ingraham on her 10 pm - The Ingraham Angle - last night.
    Dershowitz said he immediately felt suspect when The Defense side
    did not allow Chauvin to take the stand.Loking back in hindsight I think
    that might be more than mere consequential.But Manifest.
    By not allowing the cop Chauvin to take the stand and humanize
    him was a Big Mistake.Chauvin could have been asked to explain
    in his words what took place.If he started tearing-up all the better.
    But he was not allowed his day in the sun.To explain and field
    motives for his crude activity.Surely there must have been a motive.
    It's been learned that Chauvin and Floyd Knew each other.They both
    worked the same joint { restaurant/Bar } as Bouncers.
    That could have been explored.Plus discounting this near imbecilic
    rational Pushed like a freight train by Liars in the MSM that was probably
    Premeditated.That given the chance Chauvin would like nothing better than
    to bag a black.Make him pay.
    Keep in mind that the slaughter we read about and see on TV in these
    Big Liberal Run cities is Not on account of Cops.But Inner city strife.
    Poor living conditions,rampant drugs and gangs and Fatherless black
    men.Yet to hear frauds like Keith Ellison ramble on ... it's due to
    some inner White Supremacy mindset.I guess that explains why 90 %
    of blacks murdered in their own backyards { Liberal run city's }
    are done by other Blacks.
     
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    Defense doesn't have to prove that a jury member heard it. Only that there was a good possibility that they did hear about it. Even Chauvin's judge admits that what Maxine said would be a good basis for Chauvin's lawyers to make an appeal.

    Besides, what you ask for here is an impossibility because no one (by no one I'm talking about the lawyers involved, police etc etc) is allowed to question the jurors by law. Its why Jury Nullification exists and is even possible.
     
  6. PrincipleInvestment

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    Impossible not to notice that some of the (D) agitators were disappointed Chauvin was found guilty. One "organizer" immediately got on his megaphone and screamed about it being time to go get "more confrontational" with the police in Brooklyn Center.
     
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    The verdict does not one damn thing for blacks in America. So why all the celebration?

    Many people in this country have strange ideas on right and wrong and many are just too stupid to know the difference I guess. It was like when OJ got off from killing 2 white people. Blacks celebrated then also.
     
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    Plus this Judge was entirely wrong to not in the least
    move for a change of Venue.Plus demand a Sequestration.
    Especially in lieu of certain Jurors being Doxxed.By a network { CBS }.
    Also the Jury selection process was Unfair.How many black jurors
    were there.That has to be based on a percentage of the race of the
    place the crime was committed.For example ... An All White neighborhood
    should not allow any black jurors.
    An All Black neighborhood should not allow any White Jurors.
    That's the basic intent of Fair Juror selection.
    Racial composition of Juries is not dictated by law.HOWEVER
    racial discrimination in the selection of Jurors IS specifically prohibited.
     
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    Watching the full videos of Chauvin kneeling on Floyds neck despite the pleas of the audience and the cries that he was killing him, can lead me to only one conclusion, Chauvin deliberately with malice and forethought murdered Floyd. He was found guilty, because he was GUILTY.
     
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    I don't suppose you noticed how Liar/Fraud and Failed Gubernatorial
    candidate {2018 } chose the last day or two to voice more of her Rhetoric.
    That would be Stacy Abrams { to this day refuses to Concede her 2018 Georgia
    Governors race }.Out and about screeching Again ...
    How yer 2018 Governors race was Stolen.
    She lost by more than 40,ooo votes.
    USA Today reported closer to 55,ooo votes.
     
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    I totally agree that this was not a fair trial.

    That said, it was the correct verdict, IMO. For social reasons alone if not for criminals liabilities.
     
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    The jury wasn't sequestered. They could watch recaps and political commentary of the trial on television during the evenings. They were not immune to intimidation which they had to know was happening.
     
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    leads me to believe that Chauvin was not secure in himself to listen to the crowd. He choose to show the crowd contempt to elevate his self worth to himself. No one was going to tell him what to do mentality. People like this should never be cops but sadly seek out such positions.
     
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    While everyone's attention was on the trial, Abrams was getting grilled about the new voting law. Y'know the Georgia legislature could've named the law after Stacey 'cause the majority of voter fraud cases referred for criminal prosecution are linked to her & Warnock's voter registration PAC the "new Georgia project".
     
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    Who is they? Are you advancing some conspiracy theory?

    People who convicted of murder always seem to get an appeal in my observation. Should this case be any different and if so why?
     
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    Hot hardly.It was Overcharged.No need for a 3rd charge.That was made
    due to Mob Influence.Two Murder { Homicide } charges and a Manslaughter.
    Explain the meaning ... Correct Verdict .
    That's a misnomer.
    Ex . - To call this " neighborhood politicing " is a misnomer.
    Yet that is precisely how Todays Democrats think,operate and
    force their will on the Populace.
    However,each day they are outing themselves.
    By this summer,The Democrats may have to change the name of
    their Party.
    The Dumb di do Dah Party
     
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    There is still more discovery awaiting her possible connections to
    Voting Machines from Dominion Voting Systems.
     
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    The Correct reply should be ... I guess we'll find out.
    Come hell or high water.
     
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    All of those people ready to riot that were streaming in by bus and at the airport were probably disappointed. Who pays for these buses, plane tickets, and likely per diem expenses? I have a theory but no evidence.

    If Federal law enforcement did their job investigating terrorists we would know. But I guess the Federal resources are expended on things like investigating a noose found in a NASCAR garage and the like.
     
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    If he was only charged with manslaughter or a mistrial, could anyone with a straight face say that these jurors lives would be safe as soon as their names were leaked? Think hard. Look at what happens to people who just post something the social justice mob doesn’t like. They can get fired, people showing up at their homes. This was much higher stakes.
     
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    1) trial shouldn’t have been held in Minneapolis for obvious reasons

    2) jury should have been sequestered for obvious reasons. It wasn’t

    3) the mob outside promising violent riots if they didn’t get their way: a threat backed up by last years riots.

    4) politicians compounding the threat from the mob by encouraging and excusing it and promising more of it.

    5) a jury supposedly supposed to be made up of your peers but instead is made up of 7 women, 4 blacks, and 2 mixed race. In the most emotionally charged high-profile case since OJ.

    Chauvin was DOA from the start. And if this ain’t grounds for a mistrial then nothing is. Plain and simple.

    That said, I don’t think he’ll get it. This guy is the bone being thrown to pacify the bloodthirsty mob and the worst thing you can do is snatch that bone from its jaws.
     
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    I've been reading Dersh forever. Back in the 80s-90s he would go head to head with a real conservative, Don Feder, on the pages of the Boston Herald's editorial pages. Feder would grudgingly write with some consternation that Dersh would show a certain "moral consistency". That's called ethics. You can defend an honorable principal like due process, even though it is to applied to a despicable person, which is what Dersh appears to be doing these days. I think this case would be of particular interest to Dersh. He warned years ago against "creative prosecution". Because of the enormous power of the state, "create prosecution" is a great invitation to abuse. And this prosecution appears to have been very "creative". You had a single defense attorney against 13 lawyers, including brought in hired guns (which I think used to be illegal!) https://www.tampabay.com/news/natio...e-many-prosecutors-in-the-derek-chauvin-case/

    In Massachusetts, there is a law requiring people to give aid but I don't know its parameters. It is not common law in which one could see some one dying right before them and not lift a finger to help. Under the law anyway.

    Even if such a law exists where this incident happened, would the policies Chauvin argues he followed be governing? There was what he perceived to be an unruly mob. When Floyd seemed in distress, Chauvin called for the EMTs. When the EMTs showed up, they did not try to resuscitate Floyd either. They threw him into an ambulance and got the heck away from the mob to ensure their own safety first. Wouldn't Chavin have that right as well (to keep an eye on the mob rather than distract his team to try to resuscitate Floyd?
     
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    I just LOVE it when I don't have to scroll past the first response to find my exact response...
     
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    I have noticed that all jury's that don't parallel the prevailing right wing provided narrative are tainted.

    What a coincedence.
     

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