Coming Soon For The Unvaccinated: A $50 Monthly Paycheck Deduction From Your Employer

You progs are not hilarious.

 

sources? ...

 

If you would have said this would have happened one year ago the true believers would have called you a conspiracy theorist

 

I don't believe that when you are an employee with health insurance from your employer that you pay higher insurance costs for various things such as smoking. Are you now changing your mind and saying that since medical costs are higher for women than for men that we should charge women higher rates?

 

I am perfectly aware that treatment may not be withheld. Please note that my post referred to who pays.

 

I've seen the medical bills of someone who spent a week in ICU and 2 more weeks in general care fighting Covid. Sure as hell the
Insurance companies are going to jack their rates to cover those hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs. I thought
Republicans were big on personal responsibility - well, guess what ...

 

Precisely.
One way or another, the public pays. This is wasteful on many levels, especially when an inexpensive preventive measure is available.

 

"Foolish arrogance" is right. As the Bible says... "pride goes before a fall"

The foolish arrogance of those who are pridefully attacking others while putting all their faith in an experimental vaccine that has NOT prevented the vaccinated from getting covid or suffering and dying from other side effects. Only God knows what else could happen in the future to those being vaccinated today.

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Delta killed that argument.

 

Statistics - been doing my own on the local population - comparing to other areas.

One thing they don't tell you - and it is intentional - is relative context. Such as - what is the normal death rate due to influenza/pnumonia. If ever one separates one out from the other - they are lying to you - so watch for that trick. Pneumonia is about 9 times the rate of influenza - "the flue" .. but the flue causes a breakdown in the immune system - which allows the bad bacteria to get a foothold .. your good bacteria weakened ..and they win the war. .. a war which we all fight .. as at the end of days - if not hit by truck or meteor .. you go from pneumonia .. bad guys win . lungs fill up with fluid .. dirt nap begins.

20/100,000 per year is normal .. so in my region - number taken during the first year .. which included the first and second wave - was 30/100,000. 90% of which were over 80 with 3 or more comorbidities - so you were actually less likely as a normal person to die - during this flue season. So if it wasn't covid .. at least 66% would have been taken by something else .. such as a particularly nasty flue .. which this was. especially for the aforementioned group ..

The same holds true for many places .. note - the second wave was the lethal wave in the 5 million person sample I am referring to. The third wave - which had more cases than the second wave - but this one mostly Delta - had roughy 1 fifth the deaths .. and this latest bump deaths per day are well below average for a normal flue season.

Now to the risk of taking the vaccine .. how many deaths - how many adverse reactions - its small - but so are the chances of dying from Covid .. and as this progresses .. as viruses are wont to do - it is getting more contageous .. but less pathogenic.

but for arguments sake .. let us assume that the risk of harm from covid is 300% that of taking the vax.

Now take the vax 3 times - and we are at parity.

Now continue to take these new DNA manipulating vaccines - none yet to recieve approval - "Emergency Use Only" - for a lifetime - and tell me the relative risk of harm .

You know if your flora and fauna is Pneumonia adverse .. if its not - your risk just went down an order of magnitude .. from a virus that is weakening with each passing day.

 

I’m vaccinated. And I still believe fat people are worse for insurance as a whole than unvaccinated people.

 

There are no 'toxic vaccines' only toxic diseases.
Repeat - it's the diseases which are toxic.
Four and a half million dead due to Covid.
If we get a vaccine-resistant Covid we can expect to see deaths in the billions.

 

So?

 

For sure - the Chinese are taking their vaccines. They have no choice.
Maybe one day they will be the only ones left.

 

So I don’t care what other people do as a part of their personal lifestyle. Wanna eat donuts, smoke, sit on the couch? While not a great idea that your right.
Claiming “insurance” doesn’t give anyone the right to say what others can do, seat belts aside.

 

That's not entirely accurate unless you are talking about people in the high hundreds of pounds (extremely obese). Just being overweight doesn't always cause a mountain of health problems. Unhealthy people (of all sizes) are the drain on our (healthy people) insurance dollars.

I also believe it's unfair to overlook the countless reasons a person can be overweight. Some of it's genetic. Many, many medications cause weight gain (I've known at least 30 people that are crazier than hell but won't take anti-depressants or bi-polar medications because of the side-effect of weight gain). And, that's understandable because we know people can be prejudiced toward overweight people.

We are a very judgmental society and many of our ills could be lessened or even eliminated if we all took a little tiny step toward understanding other people's point of view. Yes, it's extra work but, collectively, we could probably make a great dent in substance abuse, domestic violence, hate crimes, mass shootings, school bullying and many other symptoms of tremendous emotional stress.

 

it's simple, just like with smoking, they will raise insurance costs by $50 a month and then offer a $50 a month credit for those that are vaccinated

the precedent was already set with smoking

 

I don’t know if I would call it toxic but sanctions against your workforce I doubt will turn out so well on their employment rate

 

We're all gonna die anyway. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in many years. Even if we worship healthcare.

 

Doesn't mean I have to make it happen any quicker, or more painfully, particularly if there's no REASON for it but to avoid other dangers that don't really exist or, as seems to be the case with many antivaxers, to defend the talking points of an ideology with no basis and/or to spare the feelings of a psychopath who has himself conceded the wisdom of views opposite his own.

 

ObamaCare implemented a modified community rating rule that, I believe, left insurers unable to charge premiums / surcharges based on individual lifestyle choices (overweight, risky activities, etc). IIRC there was some limited exception for tobacco usage in certain states. AFAIK, there's no exception for vaccination status.

 

And while you're making this argument, liberal states are decriminalizing intentionally infecting others with HIV.

 

It's not a matter of being harder to pin down. It's a matter of ObamaCare's community rating rule not allowing the insurance companies to charge premiums for other factors (except age).

 

Ever heard of the Cutter incident?

Or this?

I grant you that such screw-ups are rare, but they do happen:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

 

Blacks are more likely to be unvaccinated. Fees charged by insurance companies on the unvaccinated will disproportionally effect blacks. Such fees would be systemic racism.