Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban Now has Over 200 Military Aircraft — Ranks them as #26 in List of Na

Well now we have a host of lies to deal with, don't we.
Lie number1
I never made any claim the Afghan aircraft are L models. I stated they were 60A variants upgraded to the L model
Lie number2
The 60A upgrade isn't just and engine upgrade. It includes Genesys modernized avionics suite (Glass cockpits) gearbox exchange, updated flight control system, bringing A models to the L model standard.
Lie number3
You want to explain how the UH-60s are older than the Mi17s, when the Mi 17s predates the 60s. Can't wait to hear that one
Lie number 4
Trying to claim the new digital FMS somehow proves the 60A is ancient when those systems aren't even upgraded yet to complete inventory (because they didn't even come out until 2018 is your attempt to act like you might know something. Thats what happens when you are internet surfing trying to make an argument on something you know nothing about and fail to know what you're reading. But its entertaining.
Lie number 5
If the ally 60A variant isn't what YOU consider high spec military gear, what do you consider the F-16 and F-18 since they pre date the 60A airframes?

When you get that nonsense cleaned up. let me know

 

It should be obvious to everyone by now that the USG never had any intention of "winning" the war in Afghanistan. Since 1945 America's wars have been primarily, if not entirely wealth transfers from the taxpayers to the military industrial complex and its ilk. The war was lost as soon as it began. Every politician who supported keeping US troops in Afghanistan for over a year is responsible for 19 years of unjustifiable waste, pain, suffering and death.

Trumps plan to get the US out before May 1 was the best plan for withdrawal. The winter of 2020 would have been even better - the winter of 2019 - better still. Biden did not lose the war he just bungled the withdrawal.

The fact that after 20 years our military advisors could not train Afghan officers to operate the attack helicopters and other powerful weapons systems left behind proves that there was never any intention of allowing the Afghan military to succeed against the Taliban.

Which is not to say that no one gains from endless warfare.

“At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan was America’s longest war. Ordinary Americans tended to forget about it, and it received measurably less oversight from Congress than the Vietnam War did. But its death toll is in the many tens of thousands. And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it, generations of Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off. Here’s a look at the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers, as the Taliban in a lightning offensive take over much of the country before the United States’ Aug. 31 deadline for ending its combat role and as the U.S. speeds up American and Afghan evacuations. “
HUFFINGTON POST/AP, WORLD NEWS , Costs Of The Afghanistan War, In Lives And Dollars, Here’s a look at the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers, as the Taliban in a lightning offensive take over much of the country. By Ellen Knickmeyer, AP, 08/17/2021.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unit...war-by-the-numbers_n_611bf1a7e4b0e8ac7917c239

 

You said Biden gave them these weapons and equipment while it was actually given to the Afghans by other Presidents so now you are trying a different rant.

To the “mean tweets” — it was that plus the nepotism, continuous lying, gritting, wannabe dictator mentality that got most people. Him commanding a cult that he was rapidly radicalizing was the kicker for me personally. But if you need to dumb it down to “mean tweets” to comprehend it, be my guest.

 

And more nonsense from you. Your statements:
"And you don't know what systems are on a UH-60L"
"Great, then you can explain what is ancient about the UH-60L"

So there is one of your made up "facts" and lies

Oh and what happened to your claims that the Afghans had 530Gs? I asked the Pentagon as you asked me to and they said you were lying

Oh, and I provide links unlike you

And what happened to your secret software claims about various equipment and laughably the claim about the software for the Encrypted IFF recognition system!

Oh, and erm, the Mi17s are still being made. Blatantly obvious!

And if the Taliban had the latest updated F16s and F18s then you would have a point

Nothing the Taliban have would be of interest to the Chinese or Russians other than propaganda.

 

When you have to take me out of context, its obvious how far you will go to falsify your own post

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So is the Blackhawk. That doesn't change the fact that the Mi17 predates the Blackhawk but idiotic deflection noted

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I may have been wrong on what version they had but I didn't lie about asking the Pentagon. That must be some real contacts you have there lol
Proves how far you will go to falsify your own claim

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You mean links that claim the only upgrade to the 60A is an engine, the UH 60 predates the Mi17, and digital FMS somehow proves the 60A is ancient?
Yeah, I think we found out how idiotic those claims were, didn't we.

And all this babbling is for what purpose? because you decided to run (and are still running) from the original question you are trying to bury in a mountain of BS.

The equipment left behind is ancient! China probably made much of it! There was no high spec military gear left behind.

I asked you to provide this information as to what China made for 60s and ever since you have run around trying to distract with garbage claims.
And in spite of all your BS I have continued to answer your questions.
Now its your turn

So are you ever going to provide this list of equipment provided for those 60s from China and your claimed disqualifications for their high spec gear or
are you just all talk?

 

Anything made 20 years ago is not high spec gear. Which bit don't you get?

 

Thats the airframe ONLY. Not electronics. weapon systems, blades, navigation, or communications equipment.
So now that we have determined you didn't know that,
Where is list of equipment provided for those 60s from China

 

You might have a point. But these killings night have been a surprise to many of us. I may or may not know what this was all about. Maybe the ISIS likes to fight and that's probably what We know. There's going to be chaos in the near future and many things are going to be destroyed and you can bet on it. The United States did their best on teaching Afghanistan to defend themselves but something went wrong, What it was, I really don't really know for sure. Is Afghanistan weak or something? Something failed and that's for sure.

 

This is my guess. The Afghanistan military that was so well trained also was infiltrated by the Taliban who pretended to be on the side of the Government. Leaders can lead troops to hell. Remember Capt. Medina and Lt Calley of our own Army?

 

This forum has gone silent.. guess the opposition is layiong low.. or at least until they get their talkikng points.

 

Where did I say equipment? China and Taiwan supplied many of the components within equipment, they have done for decades. They also have the same type of equipment on their own aircraft, they don't need the ancient equipment that the US gave to the Afghans

Only the naive think that the US gave away high tech military equipment to an unstable government at any time

 

Perhaps the most naive statement I've heard yet.. the terrorist we supplied seem to do qite well with the low tech stuff they now have.. the guns and explosives (oh yeah.. those bombs were made with ourt C4) Trying to minumize this Biden administration disaster is evil.

 

Yes I do very well. Lt. Calley claimed that he was following orders when he got caught. Medina led a massacre of killing unarmed Vietnamese people. They served in Vietnam.

 

"Other Presidents" gave American war-fighting equipment to the Afghan MILITARY - NOT to the Taliban. BIDEN gave American war-fighting equipment to the Taliban!

Nepotism? As in Hunter? Lying? Surely you jest...

 

who's this opposition you speak of? ...

do you have a source for the "our C4" claim? ...

 

But all he did was follow through on what Trump intended to do. You're only calling it a disaster and evil because he oversaw it, but Trump made the deal with the Taliban and excluded the Afghan government from it.

Biden's not responsible for the corrupt, failed government that was set up there under the previous three presidents. All he is doing is what the American people wanted and getting the hell out. Perhaps the American people didn't realize that it would be so messy and such a tragedy for Afghanistan, but then it seems even many in our government thought things were going better there than they really were. Too many rosy assessments and too much wishful thinking. And now the current and former president have chosen to beat a hasty retreat with a throughly "America first" attitude.

Bottom line, it's no used blaming Biden for a grand mess 20 years in the making.

 

Don't even try it. Its was more than clear we were discussing upgraded 60s to the L platform that you claimed were ANCIENT.
You know we were. Then you posted this

The bit I get is you trying to play wordsmithing games trying to cover up your original claims.

Ooooohhhhh, So now they make components within the equipment.
THATS A HELL OF A LONG WAY FROM YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM
The equipment left behind is ancient! China probably made much of it!

 

Lol wut? Are you saying we left behind Chinese equipment?

Quit while you're behind, dude.

 

Not my claim. Talk to Truth and Justice
I flew them, I know better

 

Only the naive think that the US gave away high tech military equipment to an unstable government at any time

You really don't get sarcasm, much like you believed I was serious when I wrote that I contacted the Pentagon to ask them if you were lying

But yes, the equipment is ancient

 

Do you have a source for your claim?

Biden did not hire Hunter. I would say you jest but we all know it is just a lie.

 

So the conclusion is
1. UH-60A/S aircraft and their components are not ancient
2. China didn't make the equipment
3. The UH-60A upgrades include engines, Genesys modernized avionics suite (Glass cockpits) gearbox exchange, and updated flight control systems that are also included on the Ally version
4. The Mi 17 predates the UH-60A

And yes, the ally version is not our front line systems. They are provided with the idea they can fall into enemy hands.

 

Well done! You're finally getting it

 

No problem finding an aircraft for the next 9-11