Last U.S. Troops Leave Afghanistan After Nearly 20 Years

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  1. Bluesguy

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    It's over in Afghanistan, we left in disgrace with our tails between our legs and 13 brave Americans dead. We retreat and the General McKenzie is bragging about how great we did it while getting our arse's kicked. Leaving behind billions in equipment and technology and he's bragging about "demilitarizing" a few vehicles at Kabul. He's PROUD!!! He should be summarily FIRED.

    Last U.S. Troops Leave Afghanistan After Nearly 20 Years
    Historic airlift concludes with a departure, as American forces fly out a day before their formal deadline



    WASHINGTON—A U.S. military aircraft carried the last American troops out of Afghanistan on Monday, marking the formal end of the longest war in U.S. history but leaving hundreds of Americans and tens of thousands of Afghans to face a future of uncertainty and danger.

    The final U.S. withdrawal came a day before the Aug. 31 deadline set by President Biden, an exit under the persistent threat of terrorist attacks that already had claimed the lives of 13 American service members and more than 200 Afghans, killed in a suspected Islamic State suicide bombing at the Kabul airport on Thursday.

    Despite assurances to the contrary by Mr. Biden and other top administration officials, Americans and Afghan allies were left behind, though the State Department couldn’t provide precise figures.

    The U.S. earlier Monday said it was working to assist hundreds of Americans still there. Advocacy groups said as many as 60,000 Afghan interpreters, drivers and others who assisted the U.S. military, CIA and U.S. diplomatic personnel over the years, along with their families, remain in the country, at risk of retribution from the Taliban.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/last-u-s-troops-leave-afghanistan-after-nearly-20-years-11630355853




    He says the military part is over and now it's a diplomatic as the Biden gives up any leverage we had for "diplomatic" solutions.
     
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    Gosh... all those folks, left behind..... Even Jimmy wasn't this stupid. Spark the band cause MSM is going to celebrate.... And everyone left behind will simply what? Die?

    Great job Xoe. China couldn't have scripted this to be any more devastating to the United States.
     
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    The headline should be ‘Nuclear super power gives in to unvaccinated and maskless cavemen.’

    The only way Biden can shake this as his legacy is to do something worse, and he just might.
     
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    I suppose that depends on who he's "been instructed to call on".....
     
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    Promises made.... Promises kept....

    Very rocky beginning mid month, but very excellent finish....

    General McKenzie was very good during the Pentagon presser....

    EDIT - Also, as General McKenzie pointed out, the last flight left the airfield on Tuesday 8/31.... WSJ has that wrong...
     
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    There are apparently still Americans there who want out...
    [​IMG]
     
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    I am glad Biden was finally the one to keep his word after constant failures by prior administrations. It could have absolutely been planned better but maybe we will not have 20+ troops killed this year like we normally do.

    I still don’t understand why so many partisans keeps saying we left billions in equipment when it was materials given to the Afghans — they are the ones that abandoned it. I guess scoring political points is more important than American lives and the truth.
     
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    Pentagon Press conference soon...
     
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    I just saw some absolute PINHEAD on MSNBC bitch and moan that we left NON-MILITARY military equipment behind and functioning that is important to the usage of the airport... the AIRPORT.

    This wasn't meant to be Sherman's march to the sea or the Nazi retreat from the Soviet Union in 1943/44.... we cannot leave scorched earth for basic services.

    Riddle me this... do you think the Taliban would be MORE or LESS likely to retaliate against people we couldn't get out if we left them a completely non-functioning airport?. It was probably our quid pro quo of the field-agreement to guard the perimeter for 2 weeks.

    McKenzie did have a funny way of saying that we "demilitarized" a lot of other equipment at the airport... saying stuff can NEVER be used again by either side... mildly curious what that means...

    OTOH, it would have been nice if we had taught the Afghans how to "demilitarize" stuff on the fly like that...
     
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    The Taliban controls the airport and it is closed so there is no way fly them out. They have asked for Turkey and Qatar to help reopen and get operational some time in the future but that could take months. What do all the Americans and allies do in the meantime?
     
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    Promises made, promises not kept, US surrenders anyway. McKenzie was an embarrassment as I said in the OP and should be fired immediately for his running of things, advise given and such presentations.
     
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    .@CENTCOM's McKenzie confirms some Americans and eligible Afghans were not able to get to the airport in time to get aboard the final flights out.

    U.S. retained ability to bring them in, "But were not able to bring any Americans out." "None of them made it to the airport."

    [​IMG] Paul D. Shinkman (@PDShinkman) August 30, 2021
     
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    It's not about burning down Kabul it's about they should have planned and executed the plan to get all that valuable equipment out of country. Have you even seen the list? McKenzie was bragging about a couple of vehicles and not flight worthy heliocopters, a drop in the piss bucket of what we just armed the Taliban with.
     
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    Thank god. Only a decade too late.

    The rest can be hashed out over how badly Biden ****ed up, but the bottom line is we are out which is what the vast majority of the country wanted.

    I will give Biden credit for actually leaving, something 3 other presidents lacked the will to do
     
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    which folks?

    Do you have a list?
     
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    So many non-issues at play here. Below is the real problem.

    1. Bush started this ridiculous war with no way to end it.
    2. Nation building is pointless and impossible in places that have ZERO interest in being anything like us.
    3. Bush got distracted trying to do the same thing in Iraq because he lacked the wisdom of his predecessors.
    4. Obama should have ended this during his presidency, but didn't want to take the risk of exactly this happening.
    5. Mr. Art of the Deal literally made the worst deal in history. Trump is a moron. He's too used to running a small business that operates where everyone is supportive of the goal. That's not how international politics or diplomacy works.
    6. Biden bungled the exit, however, it's hard to say how. Are you an expert in withdrawing from a war? How many have you successfully completed? Zero. Same number as me. So it's really tough for most Americans to offer legitimate insight as to what went wrong. I'm sure experts, not Tucker Carlson, will examine and hopefully lessons will be learned.

    Billions in equipment is meaningless. We make that stuff every day and keeps people employed. Losing it just means we get to make more. The Taliban won't be able to use the good stuff, aka the helicopters, as they don't fight like we do. If you haven't learned that by now, then you haven't learned anything over the last 20 years. In fact, the same applies for the night vision. The Taliban don't sneak up on people in the night. They use terror and in order to instill terror in people you have to be seen. They have little interest in stealth.

    As for diplomatic options, are you saying the only way the US has leverage over another country diplomatically is if we have thousands of troops occupying their country? That is plainly incorrect. We have more leverage over the Taliban now than we did when they were insurgents. They want to rule a country, don't they? Well you don't do that well in vacuum. Ask the North Koreans. Not saying we will become besties or anything, but the old adage that winning a crown is easy but keeping it is hard is once again a burden the Taliban will bear. If you look back, they never governed well at all. In fact, they never ruled over all of Afghanistan, shocker as no one has in a long time, and they still don't today.

    If you want to hang your head in shame go for it. The only shame in all of this is the poor decision in the first place and how long it took us to get out.
     
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    Well, I find that highly unlikely, but continue with your butthurt....
     
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    The surrender was done by a previous president, Biden’s hands were largely tied but I am glad he didn’t unilaterally revoke a treaty we had signed as that only makes the US look unstable.

    I am glad he followed through and had it not been for a religious militant group that was previous claimed to have been defeated then there would have been zero loss of American life. That part is unfortunate.
     
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    The vast majority of the country wanted us out of that hellhole, sorry you and your warmonger, sitting behind your computer tough guys, will have to find another war to get your jollies over
     
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    Did the US give these items to the Taliban or did we give it to the Afghan military under previous presidents who then surrendered it to the Taliban?
     
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    Oh.... they'll find some American, who refused to leave, to come out and say America abandoned him or her.... on Tucker......

    If they can't find that person, Fox will smuggle somebody IN to fill that role... Maybe smack him around a little first, to look good on TV....

    Bank on it...
     
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    I know you commented in the NK thread today.... I think they are next up in the RW barrel.... again..

    Watch that we don't get a dozen various NK threads in the next week or so...

    Or Iran... that's always an easy one as well...
     
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    You don't leave your people behind.

    IMPEACH 46!
     
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