Last U.S. Troops Leave Afghanistan After Nearly 20 Years

They were once they violated the agreement, Biden failed to act accordingly and instead surrendered and ran.

 

Pardon me but what 'deal' did Biden have with the Taliban? My understanding is that all Bidden did was stick to the conditions of Trumps original deal (albeit the pullout was delayed by what, 4 months?). He certainly didn't pen a new one with them.

And a key problem of that deal was that it was so vaguely worded as to impose almost no really strict conditions on the Taliban (other than no attacks on Allied forces during the withdrawal - which they've honored). There was nothing specific about engagements with the old government. Just requirements that they engage in negotiations and I guess you can call offering surrender terms a negotiation? In fact the old Afgan government wasn't even a signatory to the agreement, they didn't even attend the talks!

I think this is wrong. Not the bit about bungling the withdrawal, that seems obvious. But point to the terms the Taliban violated. I've read reports from experts on international treaties which state the terms are so vague they can be interpreted pretty much any way the Taliban chooses as long as attacks on Coalition forces end. And I've not seen any reports from analysts who should know claiming the Taliban had any role in the bomb attack outside the airport, not even US ones.

I haven't seen any analysis indicating foreign powers will get any equipment from the Blackhawks that will be a vital loss. China purchased some way back in 83 rigged for high altitude performance and other countries including the Philippines and Columbia have purchased them since (so plenty of opportunities to get what close look). And as far as I am aware they are baseline models not exact copies of the latest US choppers. Also they only have the fuel and parts currently in stock and we have no clear data yet on what if any equipment the US military destroyed or removed before the pull out.

That would apply only if the the Generation Taliban leaders fall into the trap of permitting radical jihadists (well more radical than them) like I.S. to operate unopposed from bases in Afghanistan and/or decided to supply tacit support. The new regime is already facing protests over the sudden decline in living standards and services in the big cities.

Now they can suppress those with bloodshed - to a point (after which it will boil over into a new insurgency against them). But if they decide to support foreign actors or ramp up heroin production (and last time they were in power they reduced opium production - a lot) then they face the same kind of severe economic sanctions Iran is currently sinking under. And that's without putting options (B) and (C) being put on the table i.e. an air campaign targeting the Taliban government and/or military support for the opposition (which there is), just like they got way back when Russia was trying it's hand at running the asylum.

Finally as for it being his military. It still basically the same one Trump had! The key issue will be what advice the military and intelligence services gave Biden prior to the withdrawal and when he was given it. We'll see what gets disclosed.

 

There are thousands of American private citizens with the knowledge and expertise to do so doing exactly that. Of course getting to the airport was one thing, our of country through another means will be entirely different. Why isn't the government doing it? Why isn't that airport still open or better yet Bagram?

 

My final word on Afghanistan, barring any more news later this week, is it's not America's finest hour, but it would have been a complete disaster if T**** and his unqualified minions had tried to manage this....

Thank God somebody like Joe Biden was calling the shots.. he missed a few, hit a lot more, but I had confidence that he would at least TRY and do the right thing... vs the Fascist Party of Amerika...

 

150 U.S. Military working dogs abandoned at Kabul Airport as last plane leaves…

*******n Biden. Damn you to Hell. These's are storm-poochers.

 

That we had time to do this in a reasonably orderly fashion.

See Milley's quotes from last week....

They were wrong.

 

Didn't Dirty Donald and his cohort Mike Pompeo agreed to the withdrawal back in February 2020????

 

We can thank Pakistan for keeping the Taliban safe and warm for the last twenty years also while the US gives them foriegn aid...The govt. is like totally screwed up.

 

Fake News. Trump's agreement was conditional and the Taliban were not in compliance with it. Biden did it this way, because he wanted the 9/11 photo op. His attempts to blame it on Trump, the US dead, those left behind all testify to the plain fact that this Biden operation was a complete disaster.

ALMOST 90 RETIRED FLAG OFFICERS DEMAND MARK MILLEY, LLOYD AUSTIN RESIGN AFTER AFGHANISTAN DEBACLE.

Resignations aren't demanded after successful operations, rather, they are demanded after complete flustercucks.

Resign You Woke POC. Rather than taking care of our troops you suspect them of terrorism, read Karl Marx and search for "White Rage" you deluded piece of worthless crap.​

You're fake news spin contradicted, it was a complete fkn disaster.

They are right.
You are wrong.

And your politically driven spin aside, no, that is not OK.

It may take a century to undo the damage Biden and his fellow FU's did to our nation's reputation.

Also thanks to Biden and a different group of his FU's.

These evil woke anti-American FU SOB's may view that as a feature not a bug.

Not according to this batch of Biden FU's. They need to be fired, and keep firing until they cut away all the anti-American "woke" haters and they get back to the folks who value America, Americans, and the integrity of our reputation in the world.

Apparently not the "smashing success" that your spin job was trying to make it out to be.

Joe! Joe! You've Got To GO!

 

Reagan was reelected after losing over two hundred marines in Beirut, so I doubt Joe goes anywhere.

 

They aren't exactly fans of dogs, those Taliban.

 

Today's Woke Bunch of Biden FU's.

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What a mess.

 

Rotten bastards. Even dogs can't trust them.

 

Watch Trailer Park Boys on Netflix...

 

That it would be unconditional on their part and by a fixed date no matter what.

It was quite clear and Trump's willingness to attack their leadership, while criticized by the left at home, was well known and the Taliban had not violated it.

I didn't support it but I have all the reason to believe that when the Taliban refused to negotiate with Afghanistan and moving other provinces and not moving ISIS out Trump would have said deal off, troops stay and our air support and intelligence support and logistics support back up to operational levels.

Don't advance on additional providences' is pretty clear. Enter into the talks with the Afghan government is pretty clear. Stop supporting and fight against the terrorist groups operating there is pretty clear.

I don't think those were 1983 technologies and they aren't the only thing they got.

I haven't seen where the old guard has been replaced and many of them are the former captives. When you have some evidence of this Taliban epiphany let me know.

And rape and torture and I bet they could care less about western economic sanctions.

Spare me the shifting blame. Biden is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF it's the leadership HE CHOOSE, the all work for HIM. Who's been fired so far?

 

So you also get a kick out of making fun of Americans and or allies in desperate situations..........................gotcha

 

Biden Lied, People Died.

Biden breaks promise to ‘stay’ in Afghanistan until every American evacuated.

“Marine Corps Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr. announced Monday evening that the last of the U.S. troops stationed at the Kabul airport had left, completing the military’s drawdown in the country, even though hundreds of Americans likely remain. McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command, said some American citizens who wanted to leave Afghanistan remain in country. ‘We did not get everybody out that we wanted to get out,’ he said.”

Bloody Biden Left Americans Behind in pursuit of his 9/11 photo op.

 

OMG!!! ABANDONED??? Now I am very angry........The inhumanity...That is the ugliest "icing" on a very bad cake
Shame, shame , shame.

 

Bidens tweet aged poorly...

Honesty, decency, hope, leaving nobody behind, giving hate no safe harbor. That’s who we are. But I don't see much of that coming from this administration. pic.twitter.com/fkRcGfJgXW

Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) August 6, 2019

 

Its terrible. The humaine society was.gonna try to get.them out but Biden botched the withdrawal.


https://www.americanhumane.org/pres...orking-dogs-left-behind-in-kabul-afghanistan/

 

Biden told a bald face lie about American lives and what he would do, the people who are still there heard that when he said that. He should be forced to explain and apologize for misleading them and the American People.


US troops will stay until all Americans are out of Afghanistan, even if past Aug. 31 deadline: Biden to ABC News
Biden said the military mission may extend beyond the Aug. 31 deadline.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, President Joe Biden said the U.S. is committed to getting every American out of Afghanistan -- even if it means potentially extending the mission beyond his Aug. 31 deadline for a total withdrawal.....

""So Americans should understand that troops might have to be there beyond Aug. 31st?" Stephanopoulos asked.

"No," Biden replied. "Americans should understand that we're gonna try to get it done before Aug. 31st."



ABC News
President Joe Biden speaks with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, Aug. 18, 2021, in Washington, D.C.
"But if we don't," Stephanopoulos said, "the troops will stay --"

"If -- if we don't," Biden interrupted, "We'll determine at the time who's left."

"And?" Stephanopoulos asked.

"And if you're American force -- if there's American citizens left, we're gonna stay to get them all out," Biden said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-...-afghanistan-biden-abc-news/story?id=79507932


Start at :50



"On August 19, President Biden vowed U.S. forces would stay in Afghanistan beyond his August 31 deadline to withdraw if any American citizens were still trapped in the country:

President Biden on August 19: "If there's American citizens left [on August 31], we're gonna stay to get them all out." https://t.co/2RtPVuhuDI pic.twitter.com/aEYfoUSpUy

— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) August 30, 2021
https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...e-to-leave-no-american-behind-in-afghanistan/

 

I see Faux News is busy misinforming people, and as usual the BDS sufferers are assuming the worst based on that.

'Several hundred' Americans are unsure whether to leave Afghanistan, US officials say
Aug 27, 2021

Several hundred American citizens in Afghanistan still haven’t decided whether they want to leave despite an “ongoing aggressive outreach campaign” and the fast-approaching withdrawal deadline for US forces of August 31, U.S. State Department spokesman Ned Price said Friday.

Price told reporters that since August 14 – the day before Kabul fell to the Taliban – at least 5,100 American citizens have been evacuated, including 300 in the previous 24 hours.

“There are approximately 500 American citizens we are currently working with who want to leave and with whom we are communicating directly to facilitate their evacuations,” Price said. “We are communicating with several hundred American citizens who have not yet determined whether they want to leave for various reasons.”

Sher Jan Ahmadzai, director of Center for Afghanistan Studies at the University of Nebraska Omaha, said some U.S. citizens of Afghan descent may stay behind because they are politically aligned with the Taliban and do not feel threatened.

... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nistan-still-undecided-evacuating/5623473001/​

 

I honestly feel sick about that. About the whole affair........but this just topped it off in the most negative way.

A black mark indeed. Will be hard to recover from this one.

 

Except Berghdahl right?

 

Can’t make people leave if they don’t want to