Pentagon spokesman confirms explosion outside Kabul airport, no word on casualties

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Paul's claim was in fact false.
     
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    How is the world a better place since the Iraq Wars?
     
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    As I said, Obama threw the victory away, so the gains were much diminished. Saddam is still dead.
     
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    PloitiFact's report was a misleading partisan political smear. AKA a lie.
     
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    How does Saddam being dead benefit America or Americans?
    What did America gain by transforming Iraq from an enemy of Iran into an ally?
     
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    Nope. I was a Fed for 34 years. Paul's claim rests on some statistical sleight-of-hand favored by the right.
     
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    For the third and last time, Obama threw away the gains.
     
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    That's all internal, what is our external policy now to fight the Islamic Jihadist who want to kill us and instill Sharia law over the entire world starting with the western nations?
     
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    The Afghan forces had been successfully holding back the Taliban forces with our new methods and our new air support and our new intelligence while continuing to train and equip themselves and gain that valuable experience all the while our national security was increased and enhanced by it.

    And yep we face dire hostage situations but Mello says all those left stayed to join the Taliban so maybe not to worry.

    We abandoned Bagram in the dead on night with no forewarning or planning with the Afghan forces. We blindsided them which led to the collapse. Not just being odd but inexcusable and someone has to be held accountable.
     
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    So what "gains" are worth driving Iraq and Iran together? You do know we supported Iraq against Iran right?
     
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    We did not drive them together. And yes, the Iran-Iraq war occurred while I was on active service.
     
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    And yet, we blame Afghanis for abandoning us.

    True story.
     
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    We supported both sides in the Iraq/Iran war giving both sides enough intelligence that neither side could defeat the other. We no more wanted Saddam to take over Iran than the Mullahs taking over Iraq, our policy was a standstill and ceasefire.
     
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    He was no longer able to bribe the UN and countries the help violate the sanctions and get them lifted and the inspections stopped at which time he would rearmed his WMD arsenals and once again try to dominate the region while allow terrorist groups to further train and plot from there with his support against us and other western nations and do that work for him.

    I'd say that's a pretty good benefit.
     
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    What evidence do you have that we helped the Iranians in any way?
     
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    Afghans not Afghanis, Afghani is the currency. Likely soon to be worthless.
     
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    I'm not going to go dig up the history again remember Iran-Conta? Why would we have wanted Saddam to defeat the Iranians and take over Iran? There was nothing in that for us, the US policy was a ceasefire lines intact.
     
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    There was never any chance that Saddam could take over Iran. It is true that Henry Kissinger once said he wished both sides could lose, but he was no longer in office. Iran-Contra was a one-off focused on something else altogether.
     
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    Oh he was trying to the extent he was using WMD, but then we didn't want Iran to win either.
     
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    Iraq resorted to WMD in part because they were too weak to prevail otherwise.
     
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    :applause:
     
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    Paul reported the total compensation for 'Feds'. How is that "sleight of hand" or 'right wing'?
     
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    How does that justify a US military invasion of a Sunni ruled Iraq?

    Is Iran opposed to the use of WMDs?
     
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    For the "third time" - what gains? Specifically?

    Killing Saddam?
    1. How is that a gain for the US and Americans?
    2. If you insist that killing Saddam was a "gain" for the US as opposed to Iran - why did it take an army, a massive invasion, conquest and extended occupation to kill one man?
     
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    Because the federal workforce includes a much lower percentage of manual labor, entry level and minimum wage jobs. The comparison is apples & oranges.
     

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