Texas 6-week abortion ban takes effect after Supreme Court inaction

Speaking of spunk, RIP Ed Asner.... I didn't see his PF.com obit, but his IMDB page is packed....

On Utah, the argument clearly is that while Utah exclusively votes by mail, conservatives don't use it to cheat.. or something like that.... It's so illogical it makes my teeth hurt...

I'd easily vote for Beto over Cancun Cruz or 6 Week Abbott (I'm testing that one out, but I don't really like it), but he comes off as a little whiny to me. Think he needs a bit more seasoning...

 

Life? So are you against killing plants, killing cows? They're alive. Are you against removing cancers? Those were living human cells with unique DNA. Are you against the death penalty and war? Those are actual human beings. Nope, not all laws protecting "life" are moral. Going to need a more sophisticated standard.

 

For arguments sake, I'll say at birth.
"Living" is a generic term. "Living" the high life. "Living" one day at a time. "Living" on borrowed time. "Living" above one's income.

 

Yes and abortion leads to ending pregnancy without a child. Did you not learn that?

But the real lesson you should learn is that government should not have control over people's bodies.

Yes the state does, if it has control over women's bodies.

 

Nope, not "a human." To be a human, you have to have a mind. The mind makes the person. Not the heart. See this post in reply to another:

 

Are you speaking about fetuses or Texas lawmakers?

 

Excellent!

 

After Texas law takes effect, another state braces for more abortion patients
"With Texas’ strict new abortion bill now in effect, providers and practical support groups in next-door New Mexico are preparing to help provide funding and care to an anticipated influx of patients."


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Predictable.

 

For those of you who want the short story, here it is.....

The idiot lawyers for Whole Women's Health screwed up.

Hell, I know receptionists at law offices who could have done a better job than those ass-clown attorneys did.

What the Supreme Court actually said was:

The applicants now before us have raised serious questions regarding the constitutionality of the Texas law at issue. But their application also presents complex and novel antecedent procedural questions on which they have not carried their burden. For example, federal courts enjoy the power to enjoin individuals tasked with enforcing laws, not the laws themselves....Nor is it clear whether, under existing precedent, this Court can issue an injunction against state judges asked to decide a lawsuit under Texas’s law....Finally, the sole private-citizen respondent
before us has filed an affidavit stating that he has no present intention to enforce the law. In light of such issues, we cannot say the applicants have met their burden to prevail in an injunction or stay application. In reaching this conclusion, we stress that we do not purport to resolve definitively any jurisdictional or substantive claim in the applicants’ lawsuit. In particular, this order is not based on any conclusion about the constitutionality of Texas’s law, and in no way limits other procedurally proper challenges to the Texas law, including in Texas state courts.

Of note:

The statutory scheme before the Court is not only unusual, but unprecedented. The legislature has imposed a prohibition on abortions after roughly six weeks, and then essentially delegated enforcement of that prohibition to the populace at large. The desired consequence appears to be to insulate the State from responsibility for implementing and enforcing the regulatory regime.

The story so far....

1) The Texas legislature passed a law that no government or law enforcement agent in the State of Texas can enforce, because those entities are forbidden to enforce it.

2) Under the law, only private citizens have the power to enforce the law (and you will need to read the statute to find out how that is accomplished.)

3) The idiot lawyers presented a brief filled with touchy-feely emotional nonsense and completely devoid of relevant legal decisions, logic, and reason. That is what this...

"...[T]heir application also presents complex and novel antecedent procedural questions on which they have not carried their burden."

....means in plain English.

You guys can tell me all about the Cotton Gin and the Spinning Jenny, and I'll explain to you how planes, trains, automobiles, motorcycles, passenger buses and other modes of transportation work.

Oh, wait, you're not suggesting women are too damn stupid to read maps, are you?

That would be Plan C.

The Supreme Court has issued previous rulings defining life and death. Death is the absence of brain-waves outside the brain stem, meaning the only functioning part of the brain is the brain stem.

Between 22-24 weeks, the brain of the fetus exhibits brain waves and is sufficiently developed to the extent that it is a sentient being aware of its own existence.

That's when life begins. That's when the fetus becomes a person and is no longer a clump of cells or in a vegetative state.

That would be a good solid logical and medical compromise, but that will never happen.

That's because it's all about the Politics of Power now.

For these people, whether pro- or anti-abortion, the groups they run are their lives.

It makes them feel important and they get to rub elbows with people who really are important, and then there's the talk radio circuit, the cable circuit, the press conferences and media events, the fund-raising and other events, the marches, protests and demonstrations, and, naturally, all the money it brings in through donations.

Those people are never gonna walk away from that just for the asking. They'll die first.

 

Yeah, I figured NM would be there to handle the refugees from West Texas, but it's still a long way from the larger population centers in the East...

Still, it's probably the only game in town, as the closest escape from the occupied territories north or east is probably Illinois or southwestern North Carolina...

EDIT - I finished the article... do you want to read a paragraph that will make conservative heads explode??

SNIP
And the Mariposa Fund, which focuses on helping undocumented women receive abortion care in New Mexico, is upping its fundraising to try to meet the anticipated demand.
ENDSNIP

 

No it does not and the woman has plenty of options to put her baby up for adoption rather than kill it.

The "State" does not exist to remedy you of everything that happens to you or pay for it including your mistakes.

 

You've confused this thread clearly about human life with plants and cows? How'd you manage that?

 

So you're telling me that a mother is carrying around a dead "not baby" in her womb for nine months and then the moment it gets pushed out is the moment that the formerly dead "not baby" suddenly becomes alive? It seems odd to me that a dead "not baby" somehow continues to develop a heartbeat, arms, legs, head, etc all throughout the pregnancy process...

How does a doctor determine whether or not his patient is still alive? Does he check for a pulse?

 

Living is a specific term and as far as human life

Definition of living
(Entry 1 of 2)

1a: having life

which is the topic here are you a science denier? The human life begins at conception. And in all your examples you have to be an alive human being to engage in them correct?

 

what is it a toaster?

 

Some folks never learn - and the main stream media makes little attempt to educate those that do.

 

when it comes to killing people yeah I'm okay with it

you're the one arguing with me what are you arguing with me about?

Most everybody is authoritarian when it comes to killing people.

 

Why should the baby be punished?

 

Well I don't think anybody's just banking on people doing the right thing that's what law enforcement and penal code are for.

 

Well under the civil law the citizens bring forth cases. What they did was instead of making it criminal they made it civil and they absolved the mother of any liability too. Like lots of laws in this country where it is the citizen who brings the action not the government. Environmental groups sue companies all the time to get laws enforced for instance.

Yes this is novel as far as the issue of abortion and await to see what happens with the initial cases that will be filed.

 

nobody forces women to have babies and nobody should be responsible for it except for the parents they're the ones that brought it here

Nobody forces women to have kids.

That's false statement you keep making it that doesn't make it any less false.

 

Not really if she doesn't want to take care of the baby she can put it up for adoption there are so many people that want to adopt a baby.

 

Not only are we worse than Afghanistan, we're worse than North Korea and Iran:

 

What species is it then?

 

So now you're dehumanizing people? Suggesting that they are "less than human"??