Another left wing claim against Ivermectin bites the dust.

Discussion in 'Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions' started by 21Bronco, Sep 6, 2021.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

  1. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2011
    Messages:
    11,121
    Likes Received:
    6,808
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Okay, an Mrna vaccine gives your cells instructions to build a protein. This isn't even a dead virus or bacteria. It is a piece of a virus. Even better than a whole virus huh??? This protein the cells produce attaches itself to the virus. The body treats this virus as an invader and destroys it. THE VIRUS AND THE PROTEIN PRODUCED BY THE VACCINE ARE DESTROYED BY THE IMMUNE RESPONSE. It is like getting seriously ill but not having to suffer too much for the benefit. But if you want to take worm medicine go ahead on.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  2. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    12,949
    Likes Received:
    6,727
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No it most certainly is not for a NOVEL method of vaccination. You cannot compare a novel vaccination method to other vaccinations that don’t function in the same way. That’s preposterous.
     
  3. 21Bronco

    21Bronco Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    15,623
    Likes Received:
    9,299
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The vaccine is supposed to teach cells in your deltoid to produce the spike protein, which triggers an antibody response and T-cell memory. While the antibodies fade ,the T-cells can provide some future protection against the virus.

    As long as the vaccine stays in the deltoid, the vaccine is largely not a big deal, and the benefits outweigh the risks. In younger folks, though, the vaccine has a higher, but still rare, chance of traveling to organs and doing damage there instead.
     
  4. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,815
    Likes Received:
    11,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Have you considered ordering the execution of anybody even reading the story and understanding it?

    Being banished to the CT forums is nothing. You should advocate for execution of the infidels. It's the religious thing to do you know.
     
  5. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,815
    Likes Received:
    11,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because the clot shots don't stop the virus. Indeed, they seem to enhance it in some peculiar way.

    99% of people infected survive. Why even take the shot?
     
  6. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,604
    Likes Received:
    9,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It depends on your personal health. It dampens the severity. It makes it more or less a non factor to impact your life. I think of it no differently then getting the yearly flu shot. I don't NEED to get the yearly flu shot. I'm young. I'm healthy. I have no comorbids. And the chance of my getting super sick from this thing is ridiculously low. I just don't want my life interrupted by getting sick.

    So ya. No biggie. Science. It works. We developed a vaccine. It works.
     
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,815
    Likes Received:
    11,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This post suggests that you are so young that you are naive enough to buy into pharma's claims. It further suggests you are so young as to be unable to discern between science and snake oil salesmen in Pharma.

    The chance of ANYBODY surviving the infection by the phantom virus is greater than 99%. I ask again, what advantage is there to taking the shot? How can I possibly still be alive when I have not taken it?

    I can I possibly still be alive, having never taken a flu shot?
     
  8. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,604
    Likes Received:
    9,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm in my 40's, and I would say my fitness level is rather high as I gym 4 days a week. The studies on the Pfizer vaccine that I chose to take are sound and valid and it works. I took it for peace of mind to know that I will like not miss a step even if I do get covid. Which was all the incentive I needed to take the flu shots before covid.

    If you looked up aspirin. You would see severe and scary reactions that are possible to get.

    Here, let me show you;

    Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking acetaminophen:

    Rare

    • Bloody or black, tarry stools
    • bloody or cloudy urine
    • fever with or without chills (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
    • pain in the lower back and/or side (severe and/or sharp)
    • pinpoint red spots on the skin
    • skin rash, hives, or itching
    • sore throat (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
    • sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
    • sudden decrease in the amount of urine
    • unusual bleeding or bruising
    • unusual tiredness or weakness
    • yellow eyes or skin
    Get emergency help immediately if any of the following symptoms of overdose occur while taking acetaminophen:

    Symptoms of overdose
    • Diarrhea
    • increased sweating
    • loss of appetite
    • nausea or vomiting
    • stomach cramps or pain
    • swelling, pain, or tenderness in the upper abdomen or stomach area
    Guess what? I take acetaminophen whenever I have a headache. Without any worry or cause for concern.
     
  9. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,815
    Likes Received:
    11,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well that's wonderful! You are right about the toxicity of aspirin. So it's a bit humorous that you offer info on acetaminophen.

    Maybe by the time you reach 50 you will figure out that men in powerful positions can be quite deceptive? Maybe by then you will come to discover that Pfizer has pleaded guilty at least twice since 2004 to criminal fraud? Maybe by 50 you will understand the wisdom of James Madison's observation: "In truth, all men holding power ought to be mistrusted"

    All the best to you!
     
  10. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,604
    Likes Received:
    9,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I guess I could go through life scared and suspicious about everything and every one... but this vaccine has been put through it's paces with multiple studies from multiple countries. I am comfortable I made the right risk/reward choice for myself. And I would also dare recommend that anyone else who wants to not be bothered by Covid should also take it.

    Any science you want to angle at me regarding a horse dewormer, I can give you a pile more that supports the vaccine. So...I'm going to go with the one that is deisgned specifically to fight against this virus, so that I'm never bothered by it. Even at 50.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2021
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You keep falsely calling it a horse dewormer. You are spreading misinformation.
     
  12. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,604
    Likes Received:
    9,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm using a derogatory term towards a drug that may or may not have a side effect of helping with covid. it certainly wasn't designed to do that though.
     
  13. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It was discovered to be a strong anti-viral a decade ago.
     
  14. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2018
    Messages:
    7,200
    Likes Received:
    3,243
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    However, the Deep State/FDA hasn’t approved Ivermectin to prevent or cure Covid19.

    Do you think the Deep State is trying to undermine Biden’s presidency?
     
  15. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,198
    Likes Received:
    16,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope both actually.
     
  16. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,198
    Likes Received:
    16,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not science Fauci worship. The science says this **** ain't working near as well as we expected.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2021
  17. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,198
    Likes Received:
    16,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope I think there trying to make themselves and there big pharma patrons rich.
     
  18. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    55,682
    Likes Received:
    27,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Still can't get over the same people complaining that the vaccines weren't tested thoroughly enough turning around and embracing something not at all tested or approved for treating Covid-19. The sheer absurdity and hypocrisy of it is overwhelming.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  19. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    55,682
    Likes Received:
    27,217
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Time for a review, I see. Pay attention, class:

    [​IMG]
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  20. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Funny how all their approvals benefit big pharma.
     
  21. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,567
    Likes Received:
    9,924
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It wasn’t “designed” to do anything.

    For people interested in an interesting educational article about ivermectin before it was “cool” read this. it is a good read.

    https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthi...el-suelo-a-las-lombrices-y-mas-alla/3098670/0
     
  22. ToughTalk

    ToughTalk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2018
    Messages:
    12,604
    Likes Received:
    9,565
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Last I read it was 88 percent with the delta and 50 percent for elderly people. That's still pretty damn great all things considered. I want you to come to terms with the fact that the virus will evolve past this vaccine because that's what a virus does.

    Until we find something that is 100 percent.

    So let's say we all broadly used Ivermectin as a choice to fight off this virus. The virus would find a way to become resistant to however which way that drug worked. Because that's what a virus does. But people are not mass using Ivermectin. They are getting vaccinated. And most of our studies are with the vaccine efficacy.
     
  23. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,026
    Likes Received:
    18,990
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course you can! But that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that the vaccines are eliminated from the body in way less than 2 months. It's impossible for something that is not in the body to create side effects!

    With the history of anti-science that shadows Trump supporters, I don't know why they insist on attempting to discuss science at all.
     
  24. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,026
    Likes Received:
    18,990
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think ridiculing them is punishment enough. And they make it so easy by insisting on repeating ridiculous claims.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2021
  25. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2018
    Messages:
    7,200
    Likes Received:
    3,243
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How many billions Trump/OWS gave AstraZeneca?

    Source; Operation Warp Speed, Wikipedia.......
    Companies receiving research funding
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2021

Share This Page