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Durham Grand Jury Indicts Clinton-Linked Attorney Involved in Russia Probe

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  1. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just like with Kavenaugh...
     
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    ZERO Chance they indict Hillary. None.

    And, they still have to PROVE the allegations regarding Sussman.
     
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    My prediction is this: Sussman will probably not be indicted and if he is he will either beat the case or they will reduce it to a chickenshit misdemeanor and small fine. This is very weak. Durham is a loser if this is all he came up with. In my opinion, Lying to the FBI should not be a crime in the first place. Historically the FBI is among the biggest liars in US history. Anybody approached by these guys should immediately lawyer up. I would not ever talk to these guys without a lawyer.
     
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    Sussman doesn’t have to prove jackshit. Durham has to prove he willingly and knowingly committed a crime. I’d give it about. 25% chance of indictment and if he manages to get an indictment, 50% at best chance of conviction. Either way little if any jail time in this chickeshit lying to the FBI charge. If this is all Durham gets after 3 years, he is a miserable failure. Mueller got several convictions, several guilty pleas and tons of jail time against Trump’s crooked buddies.
     
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    This is to the narrow charge of lying to the FBI for which the statue of limitations would have expired today. YES he was trying to hide that this was not true but made up by the Clinton campaign and he was working on their behalf to try and get the FBI to start an investigation into first the Trump campaign in order to affect the election and then to remove him from office after he won.

    Don't know if you have realized this yet but this is very SERIOUS stuff. This was an attempted political coup between a political campaign and high officials at the FBI and CIA and DOJ and even the outgoing White House.
     
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    Very well put and agreed.
     
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    Sussman HAS been indicted. He appeared IN COURT this morning to answer to the indictment.

    And I will remind you what you have said previous about lying to the FBI

    What changed your mind, that's it's the Clinton campaign and not the Trump campaign?
     
    Bluesguy, Sep 17, 2021
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    Some people would call that collusion with the Russians.
     
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    I'd give a high probability to a lenient sentencing. He will be smart and plead. Democrats protect their own, and this one worked for the Big Woman - Hillary herself.
     
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    HE HAS BEEN INDICTED. He has been ARRAIGNED. And he knowingly fed a bought and paid for false story to the FBI. That is the charge, they had no basis in truth in the dossier or allegations about the bank but he presented it to the FBI as fact.
     
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    Is that what criminal investigations should be based on? Are you claiming the Durham investigation is over and this is the last indictment.

    BTW Mueller never indicted anyone for the core issue of his investigation. Manaforts charges were solely about his private and personal business dealings before the campaign and nothing to do with Trump. The two indictments Durham sought and has gotten, so far, are DIRECTLY tied to what he is supposed to be investigating the Clinton campaign, the FBI and CIA and DOJ.
     
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    I don't try to read people's mind, AJ, but I hit this one of the head. I fully expected that response from you. I'm not a politically savvy as you are and I read this as a big thud. I guess they have to do something other than sitting on their hands all day. Busy work that goes nowhere.
     
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    Wishful thinking above.:rolleyes:
     
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    Not even close to the amount the left caused us to spend on a BS Russian investigation into Trump created by the DNC and Hilary, carried out by the MSN and the lefty minions. Take you alone, how much did it cost you to post hundreds of posts a day it seemed chasing BS propaganda designed to weaken the Presidency? You chased every tidbit down the rabbit hole daily, only to be crushed time and time with facts.
     
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    I have always thought that “lying to the FBI” was a stupid law and chickenshit. Anybody with a brain in their head should never talk to them without council present. They are allowed to lie and then charge others with lying to them. That’s what I have always said about that charge. Many of Trump’s buddies have been charged with that and also indicted and convicted of more serious felonies and received lengthy jail terms. I don’t see anything like that here.
     
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    Mueller spent 32 million, and not one single person was charged with collusion/conspiracy. Are you really that worried about money spent on investigations, really?
     
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    If Sussman does get convicted, I bet Garland does not come into court and kneecap his prosecutors like Barr/Trump did with Flynn and Stone. I don’t think Sussman will plead guilty to anything more than a lowly misdemeanor and a small fine. If Durham tries to play hardball, I bet Sussman fights it, beats the case and embarrasses Durham in court. Sussman is no dummy. Durham is a hapless hatchet man for Trump.
     
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    Everyone take predictions from message board legal experts seriously.
    -nobody
     
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    Durham is the investigator. Not the accused.

    You're wrongly assuming the case against Clinton's attorney and the cases against folks like Flynn, Carter Page, or George Papadopoulos or Roger Stone are equivalent. They're not. Most noticeably, the level of intent.

    But, like I said, Demcorats corruptly protect their own - Clinesmith wasn't even disbarred for lying to the FISA court, because he was doing the Lord Clinton's work.
     
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    No, I'm claiming the Durham "investigation" was over the day after it was announced... however, sometimes the snake continues to wiggle after the head is cut off...
     
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    He pled NOT GUILTY. My prediction is that he either pleads to a lowly misdemeanor and gets no jail time or beats the case. We can compare notes after this case is over.
     
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    Mueller pointed out clearly impeachable and likely criminal offenses that he couldn't charge legally... and he made money to boot...

    But he probably wasn't the best guy to send in front of Congress either...
     
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    Apparently it wasn't over the day it was announced. If you're speaking figuratively, I cannot disagree. Democrats are not held to the same standards as their political opponents.
     
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    Yeah... stone cold idiots might...
     
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    Was the Alpha Bank server not communicating and exchanging tons of data with the Trump Tower server when the Trump campaign was resident there? Yes or No?
    Were all of those exchanges encrypted or does anyone know what those exchanges were about? I don't think the Mueller Report addressed any of this?
     
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