Where is the mandate?

Former Presidents are expected to be an "eminence grise" and the ONLY one I can remember who did that was Carter, who did FAR more for peace in the ME after he was President than before.

 

Former Presidents are supposed to quietly give the new President support and council when it is requested. Carter was a better carpenter.

 

I see someone doesn't know the workings of mutation!

 

wrong. Mutations occur all the time whether vaccinated or not. Unvaccinated people transmit the virus for a longer period of time hence increase the rate of mutations

 

Well, Iran went from a first world society where women could show their faces to a theocratic dictatorship under his presidency. Then to the world’s leading terrorist sponsoring country during his ME peace brokering after his presidency. I guess it’s all a bit subjective. .

 

Colin Powell was fully vaccinated.

 

Yep. Good point. He was.

If the aged and the immunocompromised still think vaccination will guarantee they won’t die from or be hospitalized with Covid they need to reconsider. I just heard a fully vaccinated friend of the family died yesterday. Senior citizen.

If you don’t want Covid or don’t want to die of Covid it’s time to start looking to your general health and begin re-examining your social behaviors.

The vaccines are still pretty good at preventing infection but not good enough to achieve true herd immunity. This means even the vaccinated WILL get infected eventually. I suggest preparing your (everyone, not you specifically Heartburn) body for that eventuality.

Lose weight if overweight or obese. Exercise. Reverse you type 2 diabetes or pre diabetes with a proper human diet. Cut back on or stop the booze and illicit drugs. Or don’t. Up to you.

Get your antibody level tested. If you aren’t developing good immunity from vaccination start complaining to anyone who will listen about not allowing monoclonal antibody use as a passive vaccine. Take charge of your health.

It should be clear to any critical thinker at this point the “experts” can’t protect you nearly as good as you can protect yourself.

/rant.

 

And campaign for everyone to get vaccinated. By any means necessary. Herd immunity and eventual eradication is the only way to protect us all in the end

 

I didn't say he died of COVID. In fact I didn't know he had even died when I posted this.

Good man and good soldier who would have made a good President. RIP

 

Nope. Not by any means necessary. That would kill more than Covid will and would guarantee a huge demographic would never be vaccinated.

Full herd immunity is now rainbows and unicorns unless someone comes up with a better vaccine. Eradication is less likely than unicorns. You can protect yourself in the ways I outlined above. Stop expecting others to protect you when you don’t seem to care about protecting yourself.

 

Iran went off the rails DURING his Presidency. Carter's main effects were in Israel/ Palestine afterwards. Iran's problems began back in 1955 but took a long time to manifest

 

I've debunked previous claims that Iran are the "world's leading terrorist supporting country"
I'll just leave these links with no more discussion so not to derail the thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-blames-saudis.506794/page-5#post-1067584286

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...raits-of-hormuz.554742/page-5#post-1070494167

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/iran’s-rouhani-warns-of-greater-hardship-than-war-years-of-1980s.555700/page-7#post-1070571484

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...raits-of-hormuz.554742/page-5#post-1070494167

 

What you have been saying is that if you are fully vaccinated Covid won't kill you. I just posted that so you know Covid did kill him. The vaccine is a useful tool but there is no guarantee that it will mitigate the effects of Covid. It would help the pro vax cause to stop making wild claims and accept it for what it is.

 

Yes, and he also had cancer, which pretty much disabled his immune system.

"Powell had multiple myeloma, a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body's immune response, as well as Parkinson's, Peggy Cifrino, Powell's longtime chief of staff, confirmed to CNN. Even if fully vaccinated against Covid-19, those who are immunocompromised are at greater risk from the virus."

 

Yes. That’s exactly what I said.

A lot of problems in the ME began in the ‘50’s. There wasn’t a lot of time for Israeli/Palestinian conflict before 1950.

I guess I was pretty young but I never considered the Intifadas or Lebanese wars and other Israeli/Palestinian conflicts evidence of Carter being a big success in ME peace. I suppose he had to try. Probably felt he needed to atone for the Iranian hostage crisis etc.

I do give him credit for trying for ME peace. It was just an exercise in futility.

 

Debunked? One of your links is to another poster who supplied evidence to the contrary.

Take it up with the US State Department and congress.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...-says-iran-is-world-no-1-sponsor-of-terrorism

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/terror/R43835.pdf

Now, if you want to change the definition to what country does the most funding of terrorism originate from we could probably say Saudi Arabia. But there are only 4 state sponsors of terrorism recognized by the State Department. Iran is leaps and bounds ahead of the other three.

These are just the facts whether individual attacks you come up with are carried out by Iran or it’s proxies or not. I’m out on this one as you are correct it’s off topic.

 

Yes, this is why I’ve been pushing for passive vaccination of these individuals with monoclonal antibodies that provide better protection to the immunocompromised than current approved vaccines.

It’s terrible we are letting such people die when we have better options.

 

They didn't 'let him die'. I am sure Walter Reed gave him better care than the rest of us would receive, and he deserved it. In 2008 I hoped he had ran for the WH, but he was too disgusted at what had happened in Iraq.

 

How will vaccinating more people kill people? and how will it keep people unvaccinated?

And stop acting as if everyone should be proud to die of a horrible disease just to protect your idiotic FFREEEDDOMMM to die of it too.

 

If he was vaccinated and did not develop a good immune response (which seems apparent if he died of Covid) we let him die. I’m talking about a product that could have done a much better job preventing infection and subsequent disease than the vaccine he received. Regeneron, who makes one of the best monoclonal antibodies has completed phase 3 trials on the product for use as a passive vaccine and submitted paperwork requesting EUA for such use last spring. Still no EUA for it’s use in people who can not benefit from current approved vaccines—like Powell.

I liked the guy as well. I like my father-in-law as well who almost died of Covid for the same reason. These people should be regularly tested for neutralizing antibodies and if low should be allowed a passive vaccine that can protect them.

 

Millions of people die every year, but it doesn't mean we let them die. Eventually everyone dies and there is nothing anyone can do about it. If you are 85 and have cancer + covid, then the odds are not in your favor.

 

I much agree, why didn't he get BOTH?


I don't think I said that if you're vaccinated the COVID won't kill you, I said you would be less likely to kill others you come in contact with and that should have happened here. Now one of our great heroes is dead because anti-vaxers and many conservatives don't know the difference between the kind of freedom Powell protected and FFRREEEDOOMMM, which is a silly shout from an even sillier movie.

 

Or else they wanted to wait for the FDA to actually fully approve one of the vaccines (it happened almost simultaneously), which does give more legal room for companies to mandate it. Now, if the airlines for some PR reason want to deflect blame to the government, it's up to them, not up to the government whose mandate, like I said, hasn't even kicked in yet. So, on this, if one is against mandates, one needs to blame the companies, not the government. But this would then, violate the conservative principle of private business autonomy, no?

 

There are already people who will never vaccinate now because of the current “mandates”. Eventually they would have seen the vaccines are relatively harmless and taken one. Now they never will because they believe something that has to be forced in people must not be too great of a product. Also, some just refuse now on principle. How would you react if I came and took all the food out of your house that contributes to the chance of being infected by SARS-CoV-2 or increases your chance of dying from Covid? Would you support such tactics?

You realize I’m giving you the freedom to eat what you want even though it puts me in more danger from you giving me a horrible disease? I give you the freedom to not exercise even though that puts me in more danger from you giving me a horrible disease. I give you the freedom to drink what and as much as you want even though it puts me in more danger from you giving me a horrible disease.

Do you want forced to eat a certain diet? To exercise? To not drink alcohol? If you don’t, then stop advocating for forced vaccination. If you want freedom you have to allow others freedom as well.

 

He couldn’t have monoclonal antibodies as a passive vaccine because they are not approved for that use. They are only allowed after exposure.

You have evidence anti vaxxers killed Powell? I haven’t seen any. It’s likely he gave Covid to others before he died. My father in law did—fully vaccinated and almost died. Gave Covid to his whole family. Yes vaccination decreases everyone’s odds of dying of Covid. So does eating right, being of a healthy weight, abstaining from alcohol and prevention of diabetes and organ disease.

Again, unless you want to give up your freedoms to eat and drink and exercise as you see fit you certainly don’t have the right to force Covid vaccination.