“Trump cared only about one thing: himself" - Bill Barr

1. Firstly, yes I provided anecdotal information. That is what I was asked for, i.e. "were you around?"

2. The overarching factual information as I remember it was problems went away under Ronald Reagan.

3. The point about SNL is when you are a liberal and ridiculed by your own team you might suck as a President

 

1. That is correct about the anecdotal info, usually not a great thing to base logical conclusions on. People tend to do that. No problem.
2. Things did improve under Ronald Reagan, then they declined again, then got better while Clinton was in office, etc. What is was saying is that it isn't easy to see what caused the decline or incline, and quite often, it's something beyond the control of the president, no matter who is in office.
3. Point taken. Maybe we could agree that both Trump and Biden suck as presidents? I'll throw Hillary in there too. She didn't get the chance to show what she would do, but I don't think she would have fared much better. I do think that certain aspects of American life would have been pretty much the same under Hillary as they did under Trump, for example, unemployment and the stock market. Both were on trajectories under Obama that simply continued on into the Trump era. Hillary would have had the same.

 

I guess you don't watch SNL, much. They pick on all politicians.

 

Republicans have had enough representation in congress to block infrastructure investment for decades.

You want to blame lack of infrastructure investment on Democrats when YOUR party has worked hard to block that investment.

What's the name for the kind of argument you are making???

 

One can not dodge the need for improvement in our infrastructure, in our protection of the right to vote, and civil rights.

Trump nearly defeated our democracy. Had the Jan 6 insurgents entered where the election was being certified they surely would have damaged records even if they didn't kill the VP - like they stated was their objective. In that event, the incumbent administration would have had to work out how to proceed, as there is no constitutional rule on that. The question then would be what would Trump have seen as a valid progression to identifying the next president.

Who would Trump have chosen to be our president?

There is NO possible rational decision for allowing the Jan 6 event to go unprosecuted. That was our DEMOCRACY they almost killed. What message does it send to proclaim that's OK - not even worthy of prosecution???

 

I have no doubt Trump loves America a lot and will do everything in his power to make America great. But I also have to say I think Trump loves himself more. He brags on himself constantly. He wants credit for everything. No matter who did it. He named much of his businesses after himself, (Which wasn't to smart.) He is revengeful to anyone who talks against him. I have mixed feelings if he'll run again. He might because he desperately wants to go out a winner. Being reelected would show he was right the first time and he was impeached unfairly. It was all political. But he also might not, afraid he 'll lose again. Which would make him a two times loser. I really have mixed feelings about Trump and have been a strong supporter of him. He did do one hell of a job when he was in. But I really don't want to see him run again.

 

After the crash, Obama was looking all over for jobs to bring back the economy. He invested billions in low paying, part time jobs. Many that wouldn't support a living wage, much less a family. Meanwhile NY and California, your two biggest Blue states were hiring the Chinese to build their infrastructure, Using Chinese help and Chinese steel.

U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms - YouTube

 

It's always a tough decision to go with what is easier on the budget and what causes the most local employment.

States are often in tighter situations on that, as there are serious budget and borrowing limitations.

Overall, I'm not even slightly impressed by your post.

What Obama accomplished in getting us out of the Bush Crash is remarkable.

 

Biden won, but was it fair and square? He promised over 30 million people to pay off their school loans. He offered billions to millions of Blacks for reparations. All knowing he didn't have the money to do it. All to get millions of votes.

 

I agree to a point. But even though you would pay more to get the job done hiring American help. That money circulates back into the economy. When you hire Chinese help, most of the profit goes to China and creates Chinese jobs, not American.

 

I really don't care if your impressed with my post or not. I'm telling you like it is. I don't just look at one side of things. I try and see the whole picture. I will give credit where credit is do and slam it when it needs slamming.

 

I don't think you are telling it like it is.

Your vid showed a few contracts, but there are large numbers of contracts and there are specifics that make other choices impossible. These infrastructure projects are required for increasing our economy - not just for the jobs for the specific project. We don't build stuff just to make jobs. We build stuff, because that stuff is needed.

Beyond that, your vid doesn't show the actual comparison of alternatives or even just the local benefits from the projects as per the contracts mentioned. Those projects absolutely DID benefit the local economies of those areas - let alone the economic benefit of having that infrastructure in working order.

 

The economy was in the basement, it had nowhere to go but up. Obama blew money on crap It was the worst recovery in 50 years. It probably would have done better if he left it alone.

Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

“Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
"There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery

 

That direction IS preferable. No doubt about that.

However, how much money got out of America is something one would have to determine. There is no way these projects didn't have local benefit, and that video doesn't go into the exact nature of the deals.

When states put regulations in place concerning labor and materials, costs do skyrocket, if for no other reason that the fact that it cuts out the competition that free market economics depends on for keeping prices down.

What we didn't get to see is what the alternatives were, what the benefit of the project is, what state tax revenue could withstand, what the benefit of the construction project was to the state as written - as there is no chance that everything was provided from abroad with no local benefit.

 

That doesn't prove there were mistakes made.

It's well known that corporations slimmed down their employment due to the economic collapse.

Please remember that US manufacturing rebounded to pre-crash production in about 1 year, and they did that WITHOUT hiring back the workers they had.

The other significant issue is that with that major unemployment we ended up with little demand for new products. There was plenty of money for anyone wanting to start a company at that time. But, with demand so low it simply made no sense.

To charge Obama with these business decisions is ridiculous. The president isn't going to force corporations to hire more people or to start more businesses.

Also, please remember that Obama DID NOT get to implement what he wanted to. Republicans would not allow that. So, now we get to blame Obama for not doing stuff that Republicans wouldn't allow!! Ain't politics great?

 

I was under the impression they pick on everybody. That's their thing.

CA, can you throw me a bone, please? Why the hell is Trump and his groupies so hypersensitive? He says anything and everything about anybody and they accept it without question but some other dumb@sses at a summit gossiped about him being a jerk and he literally abandons his post? We don't need a POTUS (in any party) that's afraid of his own shadow. And, if you truly believe you are right, why is there a need to get offended when somebody calls your crazy dumb@ss "Orange Jesus"? Own your stuff.

I can't recall where I heard it but I like it and live it..."It doesn't matter what they call you. It matters what you answer to."

 

Where have you been hiding? Of course that's how they roll! It's their "thing". Biden could release the cure for all diseases tomorrow and they'd still dig their heels in and vote "no".

It's kind of frightening to me that some of them side with outsiders over our own POTUS. I hope that doesn't mean we are at the point of no return but I'm concerned that it does.

 

It's startling how true that is.

And, it covers every area of government, not just our economy.

It's not surprising that they have to resort to making it harder for people to vote. After all, they don't have one single policy idea that's worth touting.

 

Tell me, what did the Democrats allow Trump to do? Yet up to the time he got hit with the virus he had a steaming hot economy.

Trump's Policy "Magic Wand" Boosts Manufacturing Jobs 399% In First 26 Months Over Obama's Last 26 https://www.forbes.com/.../trumps-policy-magic-wand.../...


There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

• Pay
gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.

 

Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.

Now we know after the crash, there were millions drawing food stamps and on welfare. Yet Obama had 13 million more on it after he left than was on it before he came in.

 

Here is two big reasons why Obama had such a bad economy and Trump turned it around.

In a race to the finish, Obama administration presses ahead ...
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-a-race-to-the...

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As the future Trump administration begins to take shape, the Obama White House is engaged in a frenzied, final effort to put in place as many new rules and regulations as time allows.



20,642 New Regulations Added in the Obama Presidency
www.dailysignal.com/2016/05/23/20642-new...

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More than $22 billion per year in new regulatory costs were imposed on Americans last year, pushing the total burden for the Obama years to exceed $100 billion annually.



The U.S. Has the Highest Corporate Income Tax Rate in the ...
https://taxfoundation.org/us-has-highest-corporate-income-tax-rate-oecd
In today’s globalized world, U.S. Corporations are increasingly at a competitive disadvantage. They currently face the highest statutory corporate income tax rate in the world at 39.1 percent. This overall rate is a combination of our 35 percent federal rate and the average rate levied by U.S. States.

 

Trump cut taxes and regulations, allowing our companies to compete with other foreign companies and it paid off. Yet the Democrats said the only ones who got rich was the rich and all we got is crumbs from the table. Does this look like all we got is crumbs from the table?


https://www.atr.org/thanks-trump-median-household-income-highest-level-ever

Real median household income has grown by $4,144 or 6.8 percent since President Trump took office, according to an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal.
This data is based on a report released by Sentier Research analyzing the Census Bureau’s monthly Current Population Survey.
As noted in the op-ed, authored by Stephen Moore, real median household income is at an all-time high:
“Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000.”
The below chart highlights the strong Trump wage growth.


Economy & Politics: Income Gap Grows under Trump, Obama — but ...
www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/income-gap-growth...
Indeed, in a bit more than half of his term, Trump’s $5,003 mountain of growth in median household income is 346 percent higher than Bush-Obama’s $1,444 molehill of marginal middle-class earnings. https://www.nationalreview.com/.../income-gap-growth.../

 

I’ve got nothing. These self proclaimed Christians are violating the first commandment with their worship. I don’t think they see it as worshiping, though. It’s plain as day for everyone else.

I did a lot of eye rolling during the Obama years. He had some loopy worshippers, too. These Trumpettes, though, are taking it to a new level.

 

They already said aloud that they need non-Rs to not vote. The only way it makes sense if you just count all non-Rs as second class intruders. "Free and fair" election means all the cheating, disenfranchisement and marginalization benefits their side.

 

Where the Democrats screw up is all they can think of is increasing taxes and regulations. Tax them more. But lets just look how that worked out with Apple Computer.

It took the cut in taxes and regulations to swing it for many of those factories. Especially Apple. Asked in 2016 if he would bring his billions in off shore billions home, he said no.( .Apple CEO Says Company Won't Bring Home Money Parked ...

https://www.forbes.com/.../08/17/apple-ceo-says-company-wont...

Aug 17, 2016 · Apple CEO Says Company Won't Bring Home Money Parked Overseas Until Tax Rates Are 'Fair'. Tech giant Apple is hoping that the United States' tolerance for pain is a little bit lower than mine. In an interview with The Washington Post last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook discussed his tenure at Apple and, not surprisingly,...


But one year later, after Trump's tax cuts

Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes.