Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

That’s because they are brother nations - they should never be at war with each other, otherwise schism like that will always be a possibility in a world where information is widely available.
The truth has this kind of power.

 

What the "US" wants is not actual war with Russia. What it wants are 2 entirely contradictory things:

1- Russia not having either the capability or inclination to act contrary to "US interests" on any issue of genuine significance, following uncle Sam's lead on such issues;
2- Russia remaining a credible enough excuse for the existence of NATO and NATO alliance.

 

2 is definitely false. 1 is only true as long as Russia is ruled by the likes of Putin.

 

This has the potential to go in directions Putin never wanted it to go. It was all supposed to be over in a
week or so, and the West would not be able to agree on counter measures.
Now there's a whopping 20,000 missiles heading to Ukraine, Stingers, Javelins etc.. Next maybe we might
even see some Western pilots defect with their planes (don't count on it, but don't dismiss it.)

 

Yup... this could easily get out of hand.

 

you are wrong...NATO (and all that it entails) requires Russia as a credible adversary. Without, a lot of interests, budgets and programs, would be dramatically different. The multitude of interests by trillions of $ being spent another way makes those who would lose financially, politically and/or in other ways, pursue and support policies that keep Russia as an adversary inevitable. In the meantime, just recall: as a matter of fact, in his early years in power, Putin wanted Russia itself to join NATO. naturally, his bid was rebuffed. Who was NATO going to stand up to: a potential Martian invasion.? (the mission later on proposed by the Putin-Netanyahu-Trump axis, namely "Islamic terrorists", didn't require NATO, which is why Trump wasn't really focused on strengthening the NATO alliance but the reverse.

 

This is what happens when one is exposed only to the propaganda that is selectively chosen for public consumption.........and that reflects the paranoia of a tyrant. It is a form of collective programming.........similar t o a cult mentality.

It can be irreversible.

 

Trump strengthened NATO greatly. He tried to get each member nation to live up to the defense expenditures thy had committed to. That made NATO stronger and more stable.

 

Entire Europe is very densely populated - millions of people see this atrocity right next door, just 1 or 2 hour flight away. The lies that caused this atrocity outrages millions of people and gives them some kind of adrenaline rush that motivates them to disregard the hazards and join the fight. It’s almost like some kind of an animal instinct. I’ve read somewhere that Ukraine received 16,000 volunteers within first couple of days. I’m sure people keep coming. Due to European population density, this can blow up big! Putin might have started processes that are impossible to reverse, and these processes might result in a Russian civil war and eventual break up. The word Russia became synonymous to something disgusting. After this war, not that many people will want to carry that label.

 

There s a third option.......... that Civilized nations use..........diplomacy and talking their problems through.........and even learning to compromise for a safe and peaceful world. Compromise is not a dirty word..........and neither is trying to get along ........

The problem is the human ego , greed and lust for power and control. As this planet contuses int it path of crisis.......thee wars will just take o a different form........as eventuality might be just basic survival...unless we all seriously smarten up and soon.

 

You have it backwards. Putin needs NATO as an adversary. He uses it to keep himself in power.

 

Javelins and Stingers may have turned the tide. But I fear they are too late.

 

I just thought of something - Ukraine should call on Russian troops to join their side! They are deserting in droves and this gives them an honorable way out and a clear conscience!

 

It won't be enough, not once the Russians manage to untangle their logistics problems (assuming they can). Russia simply has too much of an advantage in heavy artillery and air power.

 

Diplomacy is great ... when it works. Remember the "Munich Pact" where Britain's Prime Minister (Neville Chamberlain) and Germany's Chancellor (Adolph Hitler) agreed to keep the peace? Chamberlain returned to London waving the agreement shouting "PEACE IN OUR TIME!"... everyone was ecstatic. Hitler invaded Poland less than a month later.
LESSON: Like Teddy Roosevelt said: "Walk softly but carry a big stick"

 

and that is pretty sick....... and counterproductive to a harmonious world. When it is all about power........then there is no leadership anymore.

Putin has been in power far too long...... and believes he is invincible......which is a delusional......out of touch with reality state of mind.

 

I agree. I feel that additional air defense is needed in the near to medium term, and then hopefully factors such as sanctions, low morale and the spread of information among the Russians will eventually lead to this disaster being halted on their end.

 

You are just wrong, even factually. Putin wanted to even join NATO. He would be hailed as the new 'Peter the Great" if he could have found a way for Russia to be accepted as the "partner" to the West that the Russians yearn to be. Indeed, that is specifically Russia's weakness even now, when they have crossed the Rubicon but don't know where they are supposed to go?

 

Max Blumenthal reports that the US has provided military assistance to the Azov Battalion, known as a bastion of neo-Nazism within the Ukrainian armed forces. He also discusses US and Israeli ties to the far-right government in Poland, where neo-Nazism is on the rise. See article "The U.S. Arming of Ukraine Is a Scandal on Its Own (Oct. 09, 2019)," and the recent report today....

US is Arming Neo-Nazis in Ukraine
(March 3, 2022)

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It's naive to think that Putin wanted Russia in NATO. He was a KGB officer. He manipulates others, and he manipulated the hell out of western leaders. But the more he has rebuilt Russia from the ruins of the Soviet collapse, the more overtly anti-west and anti-NATO in particular he has become. It is an attitude that never would have served him early on, but he has used it to great effect more recently.

You have to remember that he is playing first and foremost to a domestic audience, and for a thug to remain in power for over 20 years, he has to do some pretty thuggish things while also setting himself up as a hero of some kind. Pretending to stand up against a NATO bogeyman has worked well, and it gives him a great way to attack information that he finds inconvenient, simply declaring that it's the work of "foreign agents." His version of crying "fake news!" His way of building and maintaining his own cult of personality.

 

This is why it is so important to have leaders in charge who are SANE. Hitler was not sane......*( he was seriously bipolar........and unpredictable with his mood swings.....and delusions about the Jews) He could not be trusted to make or keep to an agreement.
We live in a more sophisticated psychological oriented eta now........and every negotiation is a form of psychology...... and in a way ...every human interaction involves psychology........ whether one is aware of it or not. war itself involves a lot of psychology....... on many levels.

 

I don't know how many would be prepared to turn a gun on their countrymen. Seems risky at best, since I'd imagine they could not really be trusted.

 

I would like that to be true but so far Putin has only shown signs of doubling down. Going so far as to call in additional armored units (unconfirmed but likely at this stage) from Siberia, albeit this will just add to his logistics issues. I fear Putin has too much personal political capital invested in the war to now admit he made an error and withdraw. Least ways I can't see him doing so without first consolidating a hold over most of Southern Ukraine so that Crimea is physically linked to the rest of Russia. And they haven't done that yet. In fact some analysts have stated Putin determined to occupy the entire country.

 

Half of what you say about Putin is true; half of it misses the boat completely.

As for Russia seeking to join NATO in the past, that is just a fact. The real dispute is about the factual veracity of the excuses made to kill Russia's bid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule
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Yeah, Putin is a problem in this regard. It may take a mutiny of sorts for this to end any time soon.