DeSantis moves against Disney with push to eliminate special status for Florida theme park

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  1. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Did you decide to add a qualifier after you looked up what the word really means?
     
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    That's not a matter of literacy. That's numeracy.
     
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    Hi Polly, good to see you back sir!

    I understand your question here, but the real issues is that the state revoked that status because of something they said. We can break it down a thousand ways, free speech, gay rights, etc, but in the end Disney is being punished by the state government for speaking out in support of LGBTQ rights. They NEVER spoke in support of teaching young children any type of sex ed, they spoke out about the right to mention sexual preference in regards to inclusion (ie. Billy has 2 moms).
     
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    Yes but that's just a considerate action taken by the school and driven by their policies, not the law.

    There is no law against displaying children as there is no expectation of privacy in a public place or building open to the public.

    You might get some sideways looks, but there's nothing illegal about filming kids going from or to school or on a playground.

    You're talking about POLICY. Policy isn't law.

    There's nothing illegal about recording in classrooms as it's already happening in many cases, and the filming of classroom instruction doesn't necessarily have to capture the students other than incidentally.

    Parents would already have access to FERPA records, so even if covered by that paper-thin law, wouldn't really matter.
     
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    No that's literacy when they can't read.

    Do you find 54% of the country reading below the 6th grade level particularly literate?
     
  6. unkotare

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    I pointed you to the law more than once, and I have told you how it applies in real schools in the real world. Move on.
     
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    Yes you pointed me to something that talks about student records only being available to certain individuals.

    While it may technically be a record because the school keeps it, the point of FERPA is to control PII, and while a video may record the likeness of a child, it doesn't identify them or contain any personal information about them.

    I've linked you to the fact that cameras are already in schools, are currently being used, and that there is nothing illegal about it.
     
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    A distinction without a difference when you can't read over the 6th grade level.
     
  10. unkotare

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    Did you look up the meaning of the word?
     
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    Not a fact at all.
     
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    Not in the classrooms.

    Every September lawyers for the district come in and discuss all this stuff.
     
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    His slimy politics.
     
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    Words have meanings. You recognized as much yourself when you felt the need to add a qualifier.
     
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    I respect definitions and see your point.

    Regardless, there isn't much of a difference as an adult between being in the 21% that can't read at all, or being in the 54% who can't read past a grade school level.

    My point was not about the technical difference between illiterate and functionally illiterate, but to argue against the claims of academic excellence in this country the other poster tried to convey.
     
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    Go argue with the DOE about their statistics.
     
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    You should try reading it then.

    In California, several teachers’ unions are pushing back on district livestreaming policies, citing a section of the state’s education code that requires a teacher’s consent to capture video or audio in the classroom. But nationally, there are few protections for teachers when it comes to surveillance, said Roane.
    ________

    Still, a student’s face merely appearing in a video doesn’t necessarily mean that video would be considered part of his education record—what counts as “directly related” is decided on a case by case basis, said Roane.
     
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    Livestrreaming is not recording. Go find a lawyer and argue until you're blue in the face. The whole bodycam for teachers nonsense is not going to happen.
     
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    Well since you brought up definitions recording is often included in that.

    There are many livestreams that are recorded. The fact that they mentioned a student's face possibly being part of the education record (and thus covered by FERPA), implies that the livestream will be kept as a document.

    Just face it, it's already happening. I've seen it.

    Now it may vary from state to state in some details, but there have been numerous legal cases revolving around this that have said it's not illegal.

    https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/u-s-department-of-education-clarifies-41746/

    The DOE has now answered the $100,000 question: yes, it is permissible under FERPA to record classes and share the recording of the virtual class to students who were unable to attend. As we discussed previously, the teacher must take care not to disclose personally identifiable information (“PII”) from student education records during a virtual lesson unless written permission has been provided to do so.

    Video recordings of virtual classroom lessons only qualify as “education records” under FERPA if they directly relate to a student and are maintained by an educational agency or institution of by a party acting on their behalf. A recording of a whole class lesson should not generally be considered an education record for a specific student and should not be maintained in a specific student’s records.
     
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    Iowa just dropped their legislation to put cameras in classrooms.

    It's not easy to hold a classroom discussion on controversial subjects and students often make comments they wouldn't want to be associated with years later. I don't think I could in good conscience have class or even small group discussions of sensitive issues in front of cameras.
     
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    Now show me where in the bill it says you will be obligated to not report to district, then police?
     
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    and why most applaud this law! Now someone other than the teacher and school board have a say. School boards across this country has made some very questionable decisions on what to teach in the eyes of parents and voters, who pay for their service!!!
     
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    I see it's really catching on!
     

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