How can homosexuality not be a perversion?

Nope, still valid.

 

No, YOU say different. Giving a PHD diploma to someone who doesn't meet even the basic criteria, doesn't make them a Doctor. It makes the title worthless and them nothing. Same thing with same sex marriage. It's a fantasy that devalues marriage in general, not to mention giving credence to deviant behavior. Americans have become outright stupid.

 

Is somebody holding you hostage forcing you to be non-heterosexual? If not, why does it matter? What's "ewww" about people loving one another? We need more love in the world. Less hate.

 

Well, let's be honest... if several BILLION YEARS of evolution provide any indication, homosexuality is abnormal. BUT, the practice of homosexuality in the United States is entirely legal (except where adults get children involved in it, usually).

Sure, homosexuality is deviant and anomalous, and serious scientific research has developed theories that it is actually attributable to malfunctioning olfactory bulbs (I'm not making this up!) during early infancy. Think: the sense of smell is the basis for the first strong bond between an infant and its mother!

This may explain why, as an example, gay men are not repulsed by the smell of sh*t when thrusting themselves into each other's anuses during anal sex, or the taste of penis and semen when engaging in fellatio....

Links:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-sexual-orientation-study-reveals-490147.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/09/...brain imaging technique,the same way as women.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/may/12/thisweekssciencequestions1

 

In the reality of conscience. Dude, the truth isn't what I or anyone else says it is. It is the greater thing to which people of conscience are inclined. Your running away from it is up to you. If you can't perceive the deviancy in deviant behavior, the problem is in your head, not mine. Americans used to know these basics.

 

It’s rather sad you’re so consumed with hate that you give less meaning/importance to your own marriage just because gay couples are married.

 

Nope…it’s all a fantasy for you.

 

No. What we need is more chastity, virtue, love of truth, and adherence to conscience and upright behavior. And less lust, self gratification, self serving rationalisms, and the love of evil.

 

Why is people loving each other "ewww" just because you don't love in that way?

 

Well the Pee-wee Herman responses from you were funny at first but now they're just boring.

I will permit you to have the last word since that's so incredibly important to you.

 

I'm talking about the fact that at some point in the distant past, perhaps in America before it was even America, perhaps in the UK given the power of the Church of England centuries ago, a religious rite, marriage, was also turned into a series of civil laws... It was no longer just religions and churches that defined, administered, and recognized what was and wasn't a valid marriage, it was a combination of religions, churches, and the State.

This continued for centuries, until some people realized that the religious definition was clashing with the legal definition, but because of how things work here (and I'm strictly talking about contemporary times in the USA), the legal definition took priority, which meant things like divorce became legal, and joint ownership of property, including land, became a thing, interracial marriages were, over the objections of religion, found to be legal and recognized, prayer in public schools and other governmental entities was found to be Unconstitutional (and therefore illegal), and most recently, it was determined that any ban against same sex couples marrying each other was also Unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

Now, it's complete likely, beyond likely even, a virtual certainty, that if I were to go to a local catholic church and ask the priest if his religion recognizes same sex marriages that the government says are legit, that he'll tell me no, they are not. They may (or may not) allow a same sex married couple to attend their services, and may or may not allow them to participates in rites like communion, but they will not and do not recognize their marriage as legitimate. That's unfortunate and hateful, but it is their right.

But that doesn't change the FACT that in all the ways that matter... In how they file their annual income taxes, in how they are allowed to have social security survivorship, in how they can inherit an unlimited amount of money with no taxes at all, in how they cannot be compelled to testify in court against their spouse, in how they can (and in some cases, must) co-mingle property, in how it's assumed if one of them dies without a will that their wishes were for the other to inherit all their earthly possessions, in how, in some states anyway, even WITH a will it's illegal to leave them $0, and on and on and on.

THAT is what non-religious marriage is, and for the purposes of this whole debate, it is the only definition that matters. And in the USA, both the federal government and that of all 50 States recognize that form of marriage as real and legit. And that's an indisputable fact, you can't just declare it not to be true because you said so, and all of a sudden you become right.

You CAN say that your deity of choice doesn't recognize is, and your religion doesn't recognize it, that your church doesn't recognize it, and that you yourself do not. And looking at it through that very narrow definition, you're right. But it doesn't matter, and nobody but you and your fellow religious nutjobs gives the first flying f about any of that.

A same sex couple who got married in ANY State is married in EVERY State, in every way except what some whacky church might think.

So, it's very real, because in the real world, the only definition that matters is that as defined by civil law. What your or any other religion has to say about it is completely and utterly irrelevant.

One last thing, you seem to think that somehow your religious laws are going to make some sort of comeback, and that society is going to start accepting and using them as civil law, but you couldn't be more wrong. People are abandoning religion in droves, especially younger folks (have you seen the average of a church service recently? It's gotta be 67 and up, with a few exceptions), and I predict in a few centuries even mainstream religions from 2022 will largely be seen as no more real than the worship of Zues. Although I always have preferred Odin.

Bottom line, you're wrong about pretty much everything, and as time continue to roll forward, your nutty beliefs will eventually become extinct. Thankfully!

 

This is an SJW position. Other people getting married has nothing to do with the value of marriage.

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Actually he is if he doesn't know that marriage has had all kinds of forms throughout history including same sex and poly and even ghost marriage.

 

Probably because you don't have a clue!

 

For some people disagreement is threatening. We call these people SJWs. If you ever wanted to know what a right wing sjw looks like now you know.

I came across this quite often when I was in the Catholic Church I was converted when I was a child so I didn't really have any say in it. But I was never really to Catholic I'm just too many rules that didn't seem to make sense.

So when you convert to the Catholic Church you have to be confirmed in classrooms that they call RCIA. And in these classrooms that explain to you how the Catholic church is structured and what you have to do in order to be Catholic. I remember questioning a lot of these things. One that I found very peculiar was the reason why Catholics I'm staying from meat on Fridays during Lent. You are allowed to eat fish. I asked Ryan's fish the exception and the answer they gave me was so an incredibly ridiculous that there's just no way I could have believed them. They said because fish don't bleed. My grandfather since I was old enough to hold the rod and reel. So yes fish bleed and I stated that. He went on to say they don't plead like cows and blah blah blah.

I wasn't satisfied with this answer and at the time I really only could do internet research at the school I attended. So during my free time I went there and read about it and it turns out they did this to help the fish markets in Italy and like the 14th century or so. At that time of the church was government over a lot of European countries so it made sense that they would do this in Catholics just kept that tradition.

The next weekend RCIA, I corrected the teachers with the historical fact and handed them the printout. They threw it away became hostile with me basically made the statement that if I pursue this I will not be confirmed in the Catholic Church.

I know it's a long story but it really does have a point. People who want to believe something will hold to their beliefs even when they're showing proof to the contrary. And this is why we have things like sjws that went through silence descent.

Because disagreement means that what they believe might be or is wrong. That threatens people.

 

okay well then let's be honest about human evolution. In much of the recorded existence of the human species homosexuality has persisted. It is also a detriment to the species for all males to procreate. Survival of the fittest with dictate that there are less fit individuals in existence.

Evolutionarily speaking there is absolutely a purpose for homosexuality for the men who are not selected for breeding by females to deal with their sexual desire.

Think about incels. Do you think that's a new thing? Men who can't get laid? Because I'm betting this goes back to Mesopotamia and probably before. Evolution has kept them around hey serve a purpose or they have until recently. These were soldiers workers producers.

A society today needs more working men than it needs breeding men.

It seems there is profound evolutionary purpose for non-breeding men.

it seems to be rather idiotic.

A survey conducted by the CDC suggested 42% of men who are honest have had anal sex with female partners. Thrusting penises into feces is more of a straight thing if this survey reflects society and if it doesn't I think that it's because more men are dishonest.

The olfactory bulbs have more to do with pheromones. But this doesn't really explain why they male fetus would be equipped with pheromone receptors that attracted to its own sex.

You would have to be something biologically or genetically occurring in this stage of development that would program the DNA to create such a thing.

I didn't click on your links because I don't really see these news sources as legitimate.

But I did in Google and find science relating to olfactory bulbs. So because you made that mention I learned something and I thank you.

 

Been busy and not getting on here as much as I want, so I wanted to hit this before I got too far behind to remember it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_ghost_marriage

Also showing that marriage has had many forms across time and culture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

 

I had never thought of anal sex as 'normal', but I'm not as 'cosmopolitan' as many others, perhaps. At one time I did a fair amount of digging to find information about the 'defective olfactory bulb' connection, and I remember writing posts about this as far back as 2013... maybe I'll try to go an find them later.

 

Then perhaps you should stop trying to lock people into your idea of what your principles are? Hrm... Tricky thought I know.

 

Even If homosexuality IS a perversion, so what? That's not grounds to repress homosexuals.

 

I do not accept Wikipedia as a source of anything. They are too often misleading, incomplete, or just plain wrong.

What they are describing on the 'ghost marriage' page is not a marriage.

 

Perhaps you should try to comprehend what is actually being said.

 

Yes, it is. It is a religion that believes that gods do not exist.

 

Not what I said, and you know it.