How can homosexuality not be a perversion?

What is the objective truth of what marriage is? What is your definition? From where do you draw that definition?

 

The divorce from reality was bitter..

 

do you not understand what it was about?

show that your opinion on what marriage is is objective truth.

More than just insisting on what marriage is show that what you say is legitimate

So there's a conspiracy?

 

I can't be projecting my argument because I don't have one.

You're the one hell bent on this I'm just trying to figure out why.

 

I've already explained earlier in this thread.

 

I've already explained earlier in this thread.

 

I don’t feel like digging through 146 pages of posts. Could you quote it or give me a post number?

 

What post?

 

Nope, just a single belief that gods don't exist.

 

Guys, why can't you just agree with gfm? Marriage is exactly how he demands it to be and any deviation was caused when a man made of clay and a woman made of a bone disobeyed the sky spirit and ate magic fruit from a talking snake. Geez, catch up.

 

Sex is a normal of part of human biology and behavior, so what's the big deal?

 

And yet it still happens.

 

Yes, and your opinion is as valid as the opinion of all the happy same sex couples who have married and dedicated their lives to one another in a wonderful celebration of love that will always upset you. Speaking of upsetting of you, thousands of them are having sex tonight. Sloppy, kinky sex.

 

He's afraid of this.

 

There is no "indoctrination" going on in public schools.

Beyond that, it's been shown over and over that "indoctrination" fails.

The desperate attempts of prelates to change the sexual orientation of kids just plain fails.

The bottom line is that a percent of the human population is LGBTQ. Furthermore, there are those whose various body parts do not align in the most common orientations.

It's pure ignorance to pretend that's not the case.

 

Yes there is that's the point of them. Indoctrinating kids into the culture is why government made public schools.

That sounds like indoctrination.

If you visit a different culture and experience culture shock than it dawn's on you how deeply indoctrinated you really are.

I think sexual orientation in kids can fluctuate. Sometimes experience influences it.

It seems like he's the "it's behavior" kind of guy was though sexual orientation is influenced by behavior and not the other way around.

 

OK, great! Then it's time for the hyperliberal pro-gay lobby in the teachers' unions to stop (STOP) trying to indoctrinate (yes, INDOCTRINATE) school children with how 'normal', 'natural, and 'acceptable' all this "same-sex" hoopla is. Just shut up about it and let parents answer their children's questions about this -- if and when it comes up. Teachers must stick within the parameters of a scientific discussion of physiological body functions when and where that is called for in a classroom, and, otherwise, move on! There's LOTS of other things that students should concentrate on besides this liberal 'sidebar' inculcation crap.... Oh, and that also goes for companies and corporations that obtain public funding, directly or indirectly, through subsidies and/or tax-breaks!
Suddenly, everybody's happy... right...?

 

So you guys can go back to the days where it was acceptable to beat up and kill "queers". HELL NO.

 

Sexual orientation has a major biological foundation.

And, you can not "indoctrinate" that AT ALL.

 

if you're willing to say this about same-sex couples what about opposite sex couples?

I remember reading a lot of fairy tales when I was younger I love them and many of them involved a princess and her prince charming. Some of them even talked about happily ever after. I remember reading a lot of stories about men who were on quests and thinking about their wives or girlfriends at home. Or kids that have moms and dads

Now I don't think that this is wrong for these sorts of things to be read about and thought about in schools. I do think it is wrong to teach kids about being transsexual. But if there's a story book or someone writes a sort of fairy tale type thing where there is two princes or two princesses I don't see why that's an issue.

If it's sauce for the goose it's sauce for the gander.

So they should remove stuff like Romeo and Juliet and Hamlet lot of Shakespeare and Jeffrey Chaucer and frog Prince and Rapunzel and those sorts of things from the curriculum because I suggest that couples of opposite sex are acceptable.

Your argument here would be fine if they weren't doing this all along from the inception of public schools for traditional couples.

It seems like what you want is for them to indoctrinate children with your viewpoint.

I agree with you on this companies should be neutral about people's personal lives. They should be focusing on selling products rather than virtue signaling although virtue signaling does sometimes it increased traffic. Think about Chick-fil-A virtue signaling about their LGBT positions.

Did you have a problem with that? I didn't I'm still a customer to that restaurant chain.

 

excuse the jury is still out on that. I agree and I think the best hypothesis that I've seen for this is that it is a pleiotropic effect.

But I do think there are a lot of young men that struggle with this and in an effort to prove they aren't gay or get a positive definitive answer they sometimes engage in risky behavior I've seen this among gay men more commonly than not.

I'm not saying they're not gay or that they're not bisexual all I'm saying is the effort to quickly prove it and identifying whichever way they do comes from this idea that it's not something you can control.

For most of us it isn't and we'll all figure it out. With that comes a lot of soul searching a lot of internal struggle that you can't make go away that maybe you shouldn't make go away. I am an out and proud gay men I wouldn't change it even if I could at this point but what got me to that point is everything that happened leading up to it.

You're not saving people by doing this it's very uncommon that someone would commit suicide because they are being bullied it is more likely they suffer from depression.

sure you can it takes a lot of effort a lot of oversight and a vast amount of energy and public schools can't keep the students from getting murdered or molested by the teachers so let's focus on the bigger issues first then we'll work our way down maybe we'll get to this one

 

Especially since it is practiced by both heterosexuals and homosexuals (and by default bisexuals)

 

Well I reference the CDC study that to the survey 42% of the heterosexual men that surveyed said they engaged in anal sex with a woman.

But this idea that butts are gross so are genitalia. I don't think women are attracted to the smell of men's pee but a lot of them would really like having sex with particular men it's as normal as anything else.

 

Same sex orientation IS natural and normal.

And, the hate that comes from promoting otherwise is not acceptable.

When these truths come out in k-3 in an age appropriate way, it is not justification for lawsuits.

Same sex orientation IS physiological.

That doesn't mean the physiology is now (or ever should be) discussed with K-3. But, the idea that a kid having two mommies is something that can't be addressed in an age appropriate manner, and that it is clearly identified as something that is NOT an excuse for dissention is important.

The hate we see for LGBTQ today is absolutely NOT acceptable and is NOT a justification for anyone to be "happy" ... right...?

This is something that has to be addressed early.

You need to be more specific about what you expect from corporations.

 

Your opinion of which social construct is valid is simply that. An opinion. It might not be valid for you, and many others like you, but it is still valid for a large number of people as are all the other forms, and that includes all the countries that legally allow those forms as legal marriages.