The crisis in education- how about this?

Neither can teachers.

 

Which no one has shown is happening. Another false issue created to avoid real societal needs.

 

I am paying attention and notice that people continue to push a point raised in the OP that is not true.

 

It's been shown over and over. That you refuse to see is not anyone's problem but yours. As the old saying goes.... You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

 

neither seems to be doing the job, perhaps both teachers and parents, as well as neighbors, clergy and extended family should have roles?

 

They did. Until woke ideology took hold.

 

When was that exactly? What is that exactly?
Is it illegal?
Why didn't President trump do something about it?
Why wasn't it a problem until a couple of Govenors made it a problem?
Why won't Florida explain what is unaccceptable in math books?
Why haven't any of these "perverts" been arrested and convicted?
How did all of these books exist for so long without anyone noticing them?
Since it is a "parents rights bill" why should the government decide what to cut and not the parents?
Should people who don't have kids in schools opinion have more weight than the opinions of local parents who have children in school?
Why does this problem only exist in a few states and not in many states?

Help me understand your point of view.

 

I think it's clear that a great many push things that are not true, and nobody's perfect. Sometimes that's accidental and due to misunderstanding. But when you have people denying and pushing BS about the most obvious truths that anyone above moron level should understand, they most likely are not morons, they are people with malicious purpose.

The top responsibility of all teachers could be described as making kids strong and confident in their knowledge. Most genuinely work very hard to do so. I think it is administrators rather than teachers who resent the
major issue here. I'm thinking that one good option would be that in order to run for a position on a school board, you must have a reasonable amount of actual experience as a classroom teacher.

We seem to have a lot of people trying to alter the basic perceptions of good and bad, right and wrong. That's an effort to corrupt minds, not improve them.

 

I tend to agree with your first sentence of the second paragraph and would ad the ability to think and use logic.
I am really becoming concerned that allegations against people who we have long held in esteem have turned them into "enemies of the people with no substantiated reason. Teachers, health officials emergency room workers, the capital police, and many others ... it is nothing more than political name calling.
As far as controlling educational content is concerned that has always been done at the local level with imput from parents, teachers, taxpayers, and local government, not by Govenors and Legislatures. There are
many meetings and opportunities every year to discuss these things almost every local school has a policy that allows books and lessons to be challenged.
The indoctrination is coming from the top down, is not being done by parents, and is politically motivated.

 

they still do.

 

I generally agree- but I do see influences of the wider base entering into this. School boards all across the country don't start moving in a mass towards some highly debatable agenda. But if they tie their position to their politics- that can happen. I think it is, but I don't think it's random. There are people with an agenda promoting it. We have school boards ejecting parent who say things they don't want to hear- recently, a woman speaking was stopped and ejected from a public school board meeting for "what she was about to say".

The first amendment is under heavy attack from the liberals, the progressives, the democrats- and the motivation is damn sure is not to improve the nation. General rule of life is that you get what you will tolerate. Lowering that bar is a very bad idea in my opinion, and the left is working on that in everything, not just education- and we are already paying a huge price with crime first, now inflation, progressively broadening the assault on common sense and the average citizen, who just wants their lives to work.

 

There you go again, trying to address idiocy with rational.

 

And, yet, it doesn't seem to be working that way, or you wouldn't be here complaining about it and wondering how to get them to listen to you. He who pays the piper calls the tune, and the teachers and administrators of the government-run public school system are all paid by the government.

And, yet, it's not working out that way, is it? They take, you pay or else, and they do mostly what they want. 90% of taxpayers aren't paying much attention and vote for the same people over and over. Even those politicians are largely beholden to the bureaucrats who are unaccountable to anyone other than the politicians who need their endorsements.

Did I say to excuse them? I would fire them all and separate school from state. Schools shouldn't be run by politics.

The primary purpose of government-run education is to indoctrinate children into being good government citizens who are generally obedient to government and as workers in industry.
I suppose,t though, that when the indoctrination matches your values, then you'll be fine with it. If only you can grab enough political power. If you really care about your children, don't put them in a government school.

 

I can agree with most of that- but find it pitiful that this is the best we can do. Once while working in Stockholm, a man told us "Americans think the rest of the world is made up of third-world countries". In many ways he was right, we fail to recognize where we fail, and we fail to learn from those who are successful- and that is arrogance. It's possible to be proud and humble and respectful to others without losing you self respect or competence, but we seem unable to do that. Scandinavian countries in particular have very high performing school systems. Finland for example- and there, the profession of teaching is seen with the same level of respect as doctors. Parents see things differently too, and not only take part in the proper raising of their children, but are grateful and supportive of the teachers. In many nations, the government is much more in touch with the idea that it works for the people.

In my experience, all the home-schooled and private school kids I've known have done very well. I had a grand-daughter in a private school who was speaking three languages by the 7th grade- english, spanish, french. She could carry on a conversation with sophisticated adults as well, and loved school. Problem- cost. The majority of parents can't afford to send their kids to private school- and yet pay taxes for public schools all their lives. When you add all those taxes up over the years, I'll bet they would come out at more than the private school tuition.

Other countries, even many poor ones, can do the job better than we do. Our children are the future of the nation; we need to make them the strongest and best people we can.

 

Today-
We have a report of a Washington DC school, creating a program and guide to teach 4 year-olds how to identify racists in their family.

Literally- promote racist judgement in small children- of the people most dedicated to those kids, and responsible for their future. Undermine the core confidence of family structure.

Tell us again how that is "education" rather than propaganda and promoting destructive inner conflict in families. Adolf would have loved it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-elementary-anti-racism-fistbook-racist-family-members

 

Spoken like a loyal wokeist.

It's not about absolute control of what teachers do- it's about what's taught being compatible with what parents want their children to learn, and the goals for them. That would be the result of common, respectable values and purposes; any decent person of character wants to build character and strength into kids- not destroy their faith in themselves, their identity of their family. To do so is betrayal of the trust and duty that is integral to teaching. This is no different that a doctor having the obligation to do what's best for the patient- and the patient having the right to chose which approach will be used, or chose a different doctor.
Now if you can't recognize that simple core purpose- YOU have a problem.

IF you are not able to honor the inherent duty of an educator- you have no business being a teacher or on a school board, and the people who have the right to judge your doing that job properly are the parents.

This isn't negotiable, not arguable- and anyone who tries to make this anything other than absolute principle is morally corrupt.

 

Screw parents who think the curriculum should be dictated by their child and screw teachers who think that parents should be kept in the dark about what is being taught. Kids can benefit from having parents involved in their homework and projects which in turn requires parents to know what is being taught.

 

Retaining order does not require the promulgation of ideology.

Responsibility for the childrens' welfare does not require the promulgation of ideology. Physical security and discipline have nothing to do with ideologies.

PS: school lunches aren't a thing in other countries, so not relevant.

 

Bingo!

 

You mean like turning them into people who declare that parents can't be allowed to have rights? Fascists, IOW?

Meantime, parents can indoctrinate their kids with whatever they freaking want. We live in democracies, remember.

 

To keep kids alive and safe, and teach them academics. That's IT.

 

sorry crank, but those kids being indoctrinated into cults from mormon polygamy to q anon need to become wards of the state.

 

I see nothing wrong with what Biden said. I would be proud of any teacher to have that much dedication to treat the children in the classroom as well as they would treat their own. And that's what Biden meant. Leave it to the Biden haters to distort his words to a different meaning, all so Fox News and Newsmax can get some more outrage in their viewers, so they keep tuning back in.

 

What about Christian households? Should they give up thier children to be wards of the state also?

 

spmewhere between high church anglican and branch davidian, religion shades into cult. i'm not sure of the exact point, but when children are treated as sex objects you are closer to "cult."