14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

I might have exaggerated a bit

 

"Might"?

 

But you wouldn't carry on producing toxic food, would you?? Adding more and more bactéria and defending it by declaring you have a right to do it because that is what the recipe says and damn how many people we kill.
How can you say on the one hand you live in à democracy and on the other résent bending the knee to the govt the majority of people elected??
In order for a govt to seize singular control it would have to séquester the entire military and judicial branches of the country. In fact it is the right , your compatriots, who have currently done that.
You seriously have some doublethink going on!
To love in à country you have no faith in must be à terrible thing.

 

Have you ever been a police officer or are you just making wild guesses about what works and what doesn't?

Yes, I was a police officer and I'm saying that individuals must stay CITIZENS and not expect them to save you. The scotus already stated the police are under NO obligation to save you, so who will? Well, not you of course you're a subject in a foreign country without the rights we fre Americans have. We are free to protect ourselves, and we're not dumb enough to fall for silly rhetoric when cars kill more people than guns, and your child is more likely to die by a DOG BITE.

You can keep being dramatic and flailing your arms but it looks quite silly. We don't draw reactionary res lines, we just know we won't become subjects under tyranny like you guys.

 

The police ans orher security services in the UK ans France are politicallt neutral.
They are part of the civil service, paid for by the taxpayer and work under any government with the same endq in mind.
Why should people who see à country in trouble have to leave? Do you want to end up on that Quentin Tarantino set from the West to the East coast, à kind of dystopian nightmare?

 

Your police force in not comparable to anyone else's. No one else would put up with your pathetic standards.
I note you have no réd lines.That really is amoral. Almost inhuman.
Muzzle your dogs and drive more carefully.
AND STOP POINTLESS DELIBERATE MURDER OF THE INNOCENT.

 

Absolutely right! And it's not about trying to push any specific kind of religious belief or creed -- it's about having a commitment to standards of decency, ethics, personal responsibility, and honor that have been revered and nurtured in all of the world's great civilizations for millennia. And when those civilizations' leaders abandoned those standards for fairness and equitable treatment of loyal, law-abiding citizens, those countries began to decay and fall apart.

As a stark example, even the Nazis at first appealed to strife-weary German citizens on the basis of being a justice-minded, people-oriented faction committed to Recht und Gesetz (Law and Order). But by the end of 1936, there wasn't even the pretense of fair and equal treatment for anyone who wasn't 'in' with the Nazis, or supportive of Hitler, whether actual party-members or not. Much the same was also true of the Soviet Union -- and both it and Nazi Germany became totally 'failed states', beginning roughly at the point that they abandoned any real commitment to the moral paradigms that are an integral part of every successful nation.
Now, consider the world-leading United States... what do you see? A 'moral' nation?

 

No, it's the guns. Yes, there weren't many but they weren't nonexistent. The more and more guns we have the more they happen

 

And how do you think that fits into the gun debate? Let's just imagine a Congress that somehow bans all guns and it passes and is ratified by the states. We are still citizens correct?

 

So......you have examples where the system you say is best works?

 

A bit

 

ISTM it is you who want to stay in this nightmare. You certainly use enough excuses.
See I am free. I can walk where I want, alone or not. I can leave my car unlocked, my house unlocked ans once I left my crédit card on the dashboardcof my car and the window down. It was there when I got back.
I know I wont be attacked, challenged, robbed, I don't have to carry any weapon.
Why?
Because half an hour after the middle of the 19th century both France and the UK established police forces which were respected, taken seriously and supported by the people. They made laws by which the police worked effectively and made the police important in gathering evidence.
No one resented it except the criminal. But it meant everyone else could be free to go about their lives without the fear you manifest constantly.
No neither country is crime free. But the police are able to control most of it in the normal domestic situation.
I count myself completely free.
You OTOH are the constant psychological victims of the criminals who demand you act according to their will.

 

Yeah, ours makes yours look like Boy Scouts.

I'm glad you're on the same page! We all want the criminals to stop murdering people, and we blame them and not the toothbrush they used, the gun, the car they drove, or any other frivolous obfuscating.

STOP THE POINTLESS DEATHS FROM FOOD POISONING! You know, the things that kill WAY more people than scary black guns. Back to your cages, bunnies are only allowed so much freedom. It must be exhausting being to envious of men and women standing on their feet instead of kneeling to a government that cares nothing about you.

 

No.
The second amendment never mentioned àn internal coup.
It refers to other nations overturning the relatively weak new USA.
When it was written it was only 13 States ans the ink on the Constitution was barely dry. You had Britain, France, Spain and Holland still pres4nt, ready to take you over.
An internal coup was the last thing they worried about. The place heaved with patriotic fervour.

 

There is a point at which one has to say that the effort put into deliberately misreading others writings indicated that you have lost track of which side of the cage you are in.
What makes you think I am kneeling to anyone? I voted in elections...sometimes I won, sometimes not but NONE of the governments considered allowing open armed warfare to take place in the name of security. The whole idea is hilarious. If not hideous. And no political party would ever dreamed of suggesting such a thing.
You carry on being the problem. I do think you could do with some serious self questioning about what kind of country you really want.
Me? I am pleased to say I feel perfectly safe and free to live as I chose.

 

What they lose is their freedom to direct their lives any further.
The living conditions are à minor issue.

 

Roy, IN the United States, the only thing that matters is what WE must deal with IN the United States! This isn't Denmark. This isn't the Netherlands. This isn't New Zealand. Our highly-diverse population, which is far larger than many of these small countries put together is made up of very different people and cultures.

I won't try to yammer at you about the 'wonderfulness' of our Constitution and its 2nd Amendment because it clear by now that nearly all of you on the radical, Internationalist-Left couldn't care less about it... so, I'm only asking now that you consider the reality of the fact that, if nothing else, we aren't some other country -- we are the United States of America -- period! But that won't impress you, either... because the radical Left refuses to understand that the ONLY reason that most of us who support the 2nd Amendment do so is so that we can DEFEND ourselves with credible, equal force against the "Criminals and Crazies" who threaten our lives every single day!

 

We Americans have the freedom to be shot dead by some crazy or criminal most anytime and anyplace. We have the freedom to say goodbye to our children and loved ones in the morning and never know if we'll see them again. We have the freedom to have closed casket funerals for our children because their murderer shot them in the face and to have some of our kids survive by rubbing the blood of their friends on themselves so the killer would think they were dead too

Oh, and we then have the freedom to listen to people saying that being raised in a family where your father died will turn you into a psychotic murderer but the easy availability of weapons specifically DESIGNED to kill large groups of human beings to all and sundry should have no effect at all.

FFRREEEDDOMMM

 

I've never had a gun and don't fantasize about killing people, even to save others.

 

And it is obvious that so many of those "Criminals and Crazies" have so little ambition, so little self-regard, and so little respect for 'law-and-order' that they have lost interest in 'directing' their own lives. So, they have no compunction about denying the freedom the rest of us have to direct our own.... Society and its lawful structure and 'morality' means nothing to these creatures... the best thing to do when they commit crimes -- or even credibly and publicly threatens to -- is to sentence them to prison terms and make them serve the full-terms, with no parole, 'early-out', etc.

. A mad dog in a cage bites no one!

 

You show --10-- mass shootings 1891 to 1968.
Guns where everywhere, legal for felons and crazies to own, and impossibly easy to to get.
If the guns are the problem, why were there only 10 mass shootings in that time frame?

Post hoc fallacy -- correlation does not prove causation.

 

Free to be arrested for defending your own life in our own home? Free to pretend that bad guys CAN'T touch you before the cops arrive? Free to not sat anything that the gov might want to arrest you for?

You really feel free, or are you just pretending to be free? You're not really safe, the cops will not be there when things go wrong, and your cage is locked and you're...happy about it.

 

Your freedom is imaginary, it can change with the whim of your government. You have to kneel before them and ask for protection, you have to ask permission to save your own life. You're more likely to die by dogs bites than shootings over here. but this fantasy is stuck your head alone.

The rest of us can give our gov the finger and act like a citizen who takes care of their own life- no nanny wiping/feeding/watching is needed!

 

I have a vote in the government and I've NEVER turned down the right. Can you say the same?

I've worked on campaigns and I've given money. Hell, I'd run myself if I didn't think that would lose credit for my cause.

I still don't have the right to put whatever substance I want into my own body and they're about to take away my wife's right to manage her own health. Should I get a gun and murder my Congressperson?

 

That went bad somehow? How would that happen?