Waiting for Superbatteries They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fue

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  1. Mushroom

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    Did you not understand what I said?

    Radon itself is rarely a "cause". But it can be a strong contributing factor.

    I never said radon caused it.

    Then people wonder why I laugh at the "science" of some people. You are equating cause with additional factors.
     
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    Yep! Asbestos is one of them - ask James Hardy who is still paying out for that particular scandal here
     
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    Incorrect use of reference.

    Your reference is discussing PEV, not EV. They are not the same thing, they are not even close.

    And no, PEV will never be a thing, outside of urban areas.

    I applaud you in actually using a reference there. It's just too bad you used it completely incorrectly.
     
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    Asbestos, genetics, particulates, there are thousands of them.

    People like George Burns smoked every day for most of his life, and lived to be over 100.

    Andy Kaufman who never smoked or used drugs died of lung cancer at the age of 35.

    It is not such a simple issue. Many in here keep confusing "contributing factor" with "cause", and that is always a fail.
     
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    The link concerns a live event today.
     
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    Another of your content-free posts.
     
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    There was no reason to complain about exactly what they are counting, as the result is the same. Besides, note that the Argonne chart differentiates PEV as you want. The change you want simply does not change the result of rational analysis of the study, and thus wasn't worth addressing. It's still ridiculous to make claims about the impact of EV technology based on a time period that starts with ZERO sales.

    Television started with zero sales. Automobiles started with zero sales. Using the first 10 years of those technologies in order to gauge their impact would be equally ludicrous.

    Here's a more thorough breakdown:
    https://www.bts.gov/content/gasoline-hybrid-and-electric-vehicle-sales

    Please respond if you have a substantive point about the future of EV.
     
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    Lol you make up things as you go along! You wrote that radon is a major factor in lung cancer. Err, less than 5% of lung cancer deaths were due to radon. You haven't got any science facts

    As for your "second floor and above" statement, what a load of nonsense

    Smoking is a major factor in lung cancer
     
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    Simple. It is not in PEV.

    And we are already seeing issues with the increase in disposing of them afterwards. As the lifespan is still only 5-15 years, and then the problems of disposing of the toxic waste.
     
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    Now you are ignoring the fact that the difference between EV sales and PEV sales was well identified and is totally immaterial to the argument.

    And, then you switch topics!!
     
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    A star is required to generate nuclear fusion enough to power things in earth. At least that is what the current scientific thinking believes. It is like chasing rainbows.
     
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    Recent breakthroughs in just the last few days in this area have demonstrated that it IS possible. It's still EXTREMELY difficult but it's an engineering challenge, not an impossibility

    https://www.google.com/search? q=fusion+breakthrough&rlz=1CCHUVK_enUS1036US1036&oq=fusion&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0i131i433i512j0i131i433l3j0i433i512j0i131i433j0i3j0i271l2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&tbm=nws&story=GjASLlNjaWVudGlzdHMgYWNoaWV2ZSBudWNsZWFyIGZ1c2lvbiBicmVha3Rocm91Z2gyMAompNz56bmq8vw2v4K0o6-AmqeJAbW4vq-tlJ2EKLKCha7m1dejpwEQ9v7QoAYYBVgB&fcs=AF650RJrVDVNZOiRAlNnCrZGlCeTr4ZnMg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiu4pu6xfn7AhVGZ98KHULKBasQjcEJegQIEBAD&safe=active&ssui=on
     
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    Given the attitude I think you're displaying I'd say dead certain.
     
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    Many physicists would disagree with you. You can do tiny scale in a lab but to power the planet would require the power of a star some say. Better hope for better batteries.
     
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    Better batteries are needed under any circumstance but this latest achievement exceeds the breakeven point. They're getting out more than they put in and that's all they need
     
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    Musk made this statement to the National Governors Association Summer Meeting in Rhode Island:

    “If you wanted to power the entire U.S. with solar panels, it would take a fairly small corner of Nevada or Texas or Utah; you only need about 100 miles by 100 miles of solar panels to power the entire United States."

    "The batteries you need to store the energy, to make sure you have 24/7 power, is 1 mile by 1 mile. One square-mile. That's it.”

    I think that was in 2017. Since then, solar cells and battery technology have made serious improvements.
     
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    CO2 Grid scale batteries

     
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    Well, no.
    Policy Implications Of The Energy Storage Conundrum
    December 13, 2022/ Francis Menton

    • It occurs to me that before moving on from my obsession with energy storage and and its manifest limitations, I should address the policy implications of this situation.

    • I apologize if these implications may seem terribly obvious to regular readers, or for that matter to people who have just thought about these issues for, say, five minutes. Unfortunately, our powers-that-be don’t seem to have those five minutes to figure out the obvious, so we’ll just have to bash them over the head with it.

    • Here are the three most obvious policy implications that nobody in power seems to have figured out:
    READ MORE
     
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    Then the concept of the laws of physics have changed. When I studied physics it was impossible to get something from nothing or more from less.
     
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    So why are the democrats not building it?
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    This latest experiment generated more energy from the fusion that was caused than was put in to cause it. If you think that's impossible go argue with Lawrence Livermore Lab.
     
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    Or argue with Einstein. The excess energy comes from reduction in mass
     
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    This author is just plain NUTS.

    His very first point is that solar and wind energy are useless, because they can't be the 100% source. We don't live in a 100% world. There is NO reason to think that we ever will.

    That is just such obvious garbage that one wonders why even screeds like Manhattan Contrarian would agree to print it.
     
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    The author owns Manhattan Contrarian; it's his blog.
    And it's obvious you're not up to speed on this issue.
     

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