The chaos is over, let the chaos begin.

YOU should research it. You might learn that in 2000 and 2004 the Democratic candidate CONCEDED. They didn't ask for extremists to come and attack the Capitol, and make unbearable the life of honest election officials, like Trump did.

Tell that to the officers who were beaten by the insurrectionists that day and their families. Including the dead, and the ones who had to retire. Not to mention the election officials who have been harassed by the MAGAs for doing their job.

 

You don't think raising the debt ceiling is of actual importance?

 

Not the first time I've seen that pathetically false analogy.

 

Jack has a remarkable capacity for glossing over things he doesn't want to acknowledge.

 

I’m YOUR opinion
The partisan blindness is REAL

 

Election denial is one thing. An insurrection is another.

And, BTW... I don't know if you realize this but equating people spontaneously protesting because a Supreme Court (rightfully or wrongfully) overturned the decision of a State's Supreme Court with 60+ trials in which NO evidence was presented plus a violent insurrection organized by the losing candidate is so pathetic... that it lays in full display your absolute lack of arguments and seriousness...

 

Where is your proof that Trump "organized" the "insurrection" of 1/6?

 

again. It comes down to opinion
The leftist definition of “insurrection” is “violently protesting while Republican”
I’ve seen way worse in the videos of blm and antifa riots
Oh yeah I forgot. The hillbillies in cosplay had a top secret plan to “overthrow” the government

 

Make your case. I need some amusement.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/22/read-download-the-full-january-6-committee-report-00073878

 

My case is already made. You threw double standard at me in your FIRST reply
It was just as easy as I thought it would be

 

Weakening the ability of a leader to negotiate with the opposition is NOT a virtue of Democracy. It's one of its flaws. One that has been used by extremists this week to debilitate democracy. We don't celebrate the flaws. That would be pretty dumb.

Your understanding of what democracy is is very lacking. But at least you understand that we do live in a democracy. There are many right-wingers out there who still deny this because they listen to fascists like Hannity or Tucker who prey on the ignorance of people to convince them otherwise.

 

Yet, the fact that we do is evident almost every day.

 

So you can't make your case. You only ineffectually claim to have done so. Hardly surprising.

 

I don’t need to. As I said you made it for me. I denounce all violence and not just from a party that I support.

 

Our elected officials are a bunch of children. Garbage in….garbage out.

 

If he's easy to replace and he sure as hell is, and the margin is less than 10 votes, it would not surprise me if Dems have already worked towards finding a Moderate Republican willing to sacrifice himself on the alter of the full faith and credit of the United States, and enough of his colleagues to do what McCarthy can't or won't do. They had to be doing something other than laughing and eating popcorn for the last few days. If its easy for Gaetz to bring up the motion, its easy for any member of either caucus to, as well. Keeping the nation from bankruptcy is well worth it.

 

So you can't make your case. You only ineffectually claim to have done so.

 

A moderate Repub emerging as Speaker with the help of Dems is a pipe dream.

 

No I don’t need to make a case for one that has been made
Thanks for the entertainment though

 

Oh, yes, jacking up the national debt while increasing the debt-versus-GDP ratio to near-catastrophic levels is definitely a government specialty -- practiced with equal reckless irresponsibility by both 'crats and 'pubs, especially since Obama's first term in 2009!

Even today as the excesses by both Trump and Biden skyrocketed our debt, then slowly reduced the debt-versus-GDP ratio (to a "mere" 120% ), we see that just TEN DAYS AGO, as Democrats were preparing to hand over the House, they "spiked the punch" by ramming through the gargantuan $1,700,000,000,000... aided by a gaggle of RINO "Republicans" who were also happy to jump in on this massive pork-fest, all under the guise of "keeping the government open"....

Perhaps the single best thing that the real Conservatives in the Republican ranks fought for and won was the promise that there would be no further increases in this horrific national debt UNLESS THERE ARE CUTS IN SPENDING! But, as soon as the spending cuts are suggested, look for a chorus of 'sob-sister' Democrats to start raising hell that some of their prized, pandering welfare 'sacred cows' are being threatened. And the "news" media will be happy shout the 'message' from the rooftops....

In sum: NOTHING good is going to come from any of this. And nobody is happier than Hakeem Jeffries, who is already looking at becoming House Speaker himself, less than two years from right now!

. Behold! The last White, male Speaker of the House!

 

The report of the kangaroo court (which convicted Trump before a single minute was spent on the actual hearings) is a joke to me. What else do you have? Be specific with your evidence (IOW don't expect me to swim through an opinion hit job looking for support for your claim).

 

delete duplicated post (?)

 

Maybe but If it only lasts long enough to get a single debt sealing bill through, its still well worth pursuing. I don't see McCarthy as getting one through and I don't see the caucus of the GOP as wanting default to be the ultimate legacy of the GOP, they will have to find a sacrificial lamb speaker and Dem votes will be the only option to bypass the freedom caucus. It won't just be a matter of finding the votes for a discharge petition if the Freedom Caucus controls the Rules Committee as well as the committee of original jurisdiction.

 

I have done everything in my power to SHOW you the evidence. I alerted everybody in this board of the upcoming hearings. For those too lazy to follow the hearings, I prepared a summary of each and every one of them in threads that start with the title "January 6 Hearing Session x..."

Yes! It was PROVEN that Trump PERSONALLY organized, facilitated, incited and promoted the insurrection starting weeks in advance. You can use the "Search" function of this forum and look for that evidence in the threads I created, if you are truly interested. I honestly doubt that you are.