He Should Be In Politics Again.

Jefferson wanted religion in gov't just not one main and overbearing state religion in gov't.

 

Re-read the Book of Romans (Epistle to the Romans) in the New Testament and you see that, according to the Apostle Paul, beginning at Chapter 1, verse 18, through all of Chapter 2, God let sinful mankind pursue his own willful ends, and that would necessarily include our various forms of government.

And specifically, it is beneficial for Christians to put into context that Jesus Christ himself told the people to "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." (Book of Mark, Chapter 12, Verse 17). This appears to reinforce the concept that man's government (i.e., "Rome") is separated from the direct control or commanding influence of God.

 

That is absolutely not true. Following is a very good explanation of the Founders insistence on the separation of church and state. It was no accident that they put it in the FIRST Amendment.

Founding fathers fought for 'separation for church and state.
"Thomas Jefferson was denounced as an atheist after he and James Madison outlined the Virginia Statue of Religious Freedom."
https://www.collegiatetimes.com/opi...cle_0012e866-fa8a-11e5-a86c-ab6b290d558f.html

 

hiter was an altar boy and nazi pagentry was modeled on the catholic church

 

i object to the RW always equating belief in god with organized religion, i am an amateur historian and have researched organized religions somewhat, Christianity adopted roman culture after 325AD, which is why our culture is male dominated (wasnt always) much uncertainty exists as to historical jesus and who exactly wrote which gospels, my beliefs are the most personnal thing i have...Christianity has been about convereting souls for Christ, while our current world advisary china has never had such a philosophy, and this conversion obsession causes all sorts of international trouble

 

Can you post a few quotes of Jefferson saying he believed government and religion should be intertwined?

Here are a few I have found that disagrees with your opinion

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.​

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.​

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.​

Religions are all alike- founded upon fables and mythologies.​

And my personal favorite: and since you cons LOVE walls:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.​

 

You need to look at the 30 years war for an example. Or the Puritans as another example.

Most people believe in God. God can be defined in many ways, hence why we have many different religions, and why some religions have many different sects. Look at Christianity for instance. Do you think Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants think they are worshipping the same God? Or how about Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, the monotheistic religions? Or even within the protestant denomination such as Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Anglican, Baptist, etc. It is why we have two clauses, known as Freedom of Religion, which are the no establishment clause, and the freedom of exercise clause. In addition, Article VI of the US Constitution bars the religious test.

If you want to put God into the mix, then you will get 110 different answers by 100 people. Religion is personal, not governmental or societal.

But putting Religion into politics will eventually lead to the same reasons why people came to this country such as the Swedes when they were persecuted in their own country or the Iranian refugees after Shaw was deposed of. And here, it would mean that some religions would not be acceptable, even the Christian religion. No thanks. Keep what Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Anabaptists where he infamously interpreted the freedom of religion clauses, "separation of Church and State."

 

You mean when he wrote "separation of Church and State" when he wrote to the Dansbury Anabaptists.

 

Actually no, it was to eliminate practicing religion as government.
The irony of this thread is I see far more Christian values coming out of Democrats and a lot of christian ones from conservatives. I do wish they would study how Jesus taught you should live, it's really a good morality, rather than make unfounded claims based on hate and call it Christianity, it's not by any means.

 

I had hoped this thread was that John B Anderson was coming out as a candidate but then I realised that he can't having died 5 years ago.

<sigh>

 

so true of the extreme right

 

Also, there's already too many uppity, hyper religious almost zealot-like folks running the streets as it is putting their beliefs ahead of literally everyone and everything else, there's no reason we as a nation need or want more of that in the federal level. Especially since some of these people will gladly lecture us on how "XYZ is an abomination and forbidden" but will completely struggle when asked where in the Bible its forbidden at.

 

Or "My Bible says we must do this!" Where? "Read a Bible!" I have, have you?

 

Misinformation.

 

Jefferson's usage of God...That many of the rights in The Constitution came from God according to Jefferson and other founders...That Jefferson was mindful that groups like the Pilgrims and puritans were religious people just not Anglican, the state religion of England, religious.

Like i posted earlier in this thread, the supposed interpretation of separation of church and state being devoid of religion is just an atheists' wet dream and isn't reality.

 

Which ones? Where in the bible are they enumerated?

Means nothing to how government now should be run.

 

Exactly.

 

Dude, God in referenced in both The Declaration of Independence (a document Jefferson wrote exclusively) and The Constitution. What isn't referenced in either The Declaration of Independence or The Constitution is a state religion.

 

Dude, that is not what I asked. Can you answer the simple question or what you posted was just BS?
BTW, where is God mentioned in either?

 

I agree, somewhat, with this post. There was no belief in organized religion, er, there was no belief in a state religion in The Constitution. What I disagree with are atheists demanding there be no religion in government.

 

Dude, just read The Declaration of Independence or The Constitution.

 

I don't need to jump through your hoops to answer your question.

 

In other words what you posted WAS bulshit.

 

It is not just atheists, but people that do not share your religion.

 

Read The Declaration of Independence or The Constitution. I'm sorry you're a butthurt atheist.