Your usual quibbling to avoid those inconvenient questions ...so obvious ↑ chris155au :""Because it is conceived through a heineous crime.""" How does that affect, taint, change, or make it different from any other fetus? HOW does that "taint" the fetus? Does it have a Scarlet Letter "R" on it's forehead? Is it non-human? Is it malformed somehow? Is it possessed by the devil ? I never said anything different....and before you go on hairsplitting definitions to avoid the issue a born person is A human being, an unborn human is human .
How is choosing an abortion after a forced pregnancy not a matter of self-determination of a human being over her own body?.
SHE is not DOING anything. Again, some doctor, usually a man, is digging around inside of her. She has absolutely ZERO control in that situation.
I would say that it is, but I think of "bodily autonomy" as something different to that. Other than abortion, in what other context do you use the term "bodily autonomy?"
DUH, she chose abortion, THAT is what she is doing.....again you're hairsplitting while trying to prove a point that isn't there
No one has the right to FORCE another to give them a heart or kidney or a blood transfusion to sustain their life.
What rights does a fetus have ? and who or what gave it that right ? and if that right interferes with another's rights then what????
That is the definition of bodily autonomy and it seems you do not know what you are arguing against. You have a right not to be vaccinated because of bodily autonomy but society has a right to sanction you in the name of group safety. Do you agree with everything right-wingers think or just most of it?
FoxHastings said: ↑ I never said anything different....and before you go on hairsplitting definitions to avoid the issue a born person is A human being, an unborn human is human . As if you haven't had that explained to you before ! ...before you go on hairsplitting definitions to avoid the issue a born person is A human being, an unborn human is human . Guess you're still trying to avoid the issue... Parts of a human are human(adjective) ...like a fetus. A human BEING (noun) is one who has been born , "is". Now you can go on one of your dodges with "what's the definition of this, What's the definition of that?"...but you will look foolish since people know what those words mean...and don't need them explained..
Your usual quibbling to avoid those inconvenient questions ...so obvious ↑ How does that affect, taint, change, or make it different from any other fetus? HOW does that "taint" the fetus? Does it have a Scarlet Letter "R" on it's forehead? Is it non-human? Is it malformed somehow? Is it possessed by the devil ? You forgo this part
No, that is YOUR understanding of "bodily autonomy." There is no formalised definition for the term. Yes, but NOT being vaccinated is something that is NOT happening to your body. Abortion is something that IS happening to your body. So then, it's apples and oranges.
Fetuses "FORCE?" What choice do they have? Can they choose something else other than use the woman's body?
Yeah, she made that choice, but after that choice, then the abortion happens, which she is not in control of.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Your usual quibbling to avoid those inconvenient questions ...so obvious ↑ How does that affect, taint, change, or make it different from any other fetus? HOW does that "taint" the fetus? Does it have a Scarlet Letter "R" on it's forehead? Is it non-human? Is it malformed somehow? Is it possessed by the devil ? You forgot TO ANSWER this part So what? ....you just keep using that as an excuse to avoid the questions ...as usual.
↑ AARguy said: ↑The unborn have rights, although lefties don't agree.""""""""" ↑ edna kawabata said: ↑Do you agree with everything right-wingers think or just most of it?""" No, she didn't...at least not to anyone with a firm grasp of English...
FoxHastings said: ↑ No one has the right to FORCE another to give them a heart or kidney or a blood transfusion to sustain their life. Gugga duh, I wasn't referring to the fetus in that sentence..... BUT to address your statement, the fetus does not have a choice, why should they? HOW could they?
FoxHastings said: ↑ DUH, she chose abortion, THAT is what she is doing..... You are not only picking nits but making them up.....because you have nothing else.....and can't answer those inconvenient questions
It seemed clear that you were comparing people forcing someone to give them their heart or kidney to a fetus using their mother's body. No? Exactly. So not the same as a person forcing someone to give them their heart or kidney.
