Gun Control needs to be instituted

you deny that there are not at least 6% of the country that is made up of poor white males? seriously?

 

Is "no" an ambiguous reply?

 

Unfortunately, your solution is undoable. More spending for education, mental health, and child care is not something that the Republicans will ever agree to spend. Republicans are all for spending for themselves but not for spending to help others or even to solve problems. As such, the only doable solution is to restrict the use of guns.

It will NOT SOLVE the problem but it will decrease it.

And by the way and as far as Americans being left behind, Americans are left behind a lot less than other people in other nations. Why do you think we have an immigration problem? It is because those people have been left behind by their governments even more so than Americans. It is all about Democracy and is the reason why we need to defend Democracy even more, or we might end up having Americans migrating to other countries and making migration problems even worse for our own people trying to get away from the type of government that someone like Trump or DeSantis might bring.

Bottom line, in all those countries from where people are migrating from, the rich are even richer than here (in comparison to the rest of the population). Capitalism in its extreme is as bad as everything we can complain about.

 

so if there are more poor whites than all the blacks of all economic levels, why the disparity in violent crime.

 

That is an untrue statement, there are not more poor whites than all income level Blacks.
What is you theory of why the disparity? Surprise me.

 

No it doesn't. We are not going to abolish freedom here in America.

America will never allow you to take our freedom away.

Not really. People are still trying to violate our civil liberties today. Your own posts are evidence of this.

Correct. Defensive shootings are a good thing.

America will never allow you to take our freedom away.

America prefers that our politicians not abolish freedom.

Perfect up to this point, but....

We do not have the most killings.

Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

Well, there isn't actually any problem here. But yes, that sounds like a great proposal.

 

Because such comparisons demonstrate whether gun control saves lives or not.

As it happens, it does not.

His comment was spot on. The comment was not moronic in any way whatsoever.

 

Yes it is.

VPC are infamous for their incessant lying.

Fake news. Cherrypicked data.

An actual look at all nations shows that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

https://hwfo.substack.com/p/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between

Data about gun deaths says nothing about homicide rates.

Of course.

Just progressives demonizing their opponents.

 

Progressives have outlawed guns with pistol grips and flash suppressors in the states where they are able to, and wish that they could do so nationwide.

No guns will be banned by him because people will not let him do so.

But it is still a cause for concern that he wants to do so.

No. What he was doing is pointing out that gun banners move the goalposts.

 

There is no problem to begin with. No need for a solution when there isn't a problem.

Yes.

Although there is a belt of European nations from Finland to Switzerland were people are keen to be free.

<Mod Edit> guns are not the cause of murders in any case. Murderers would just use other weapons if they didn't have guns.

But even if I cared about these deaths, and even if guns were somehow responsible for those deaths, freedom would still be far more important than saving lives.

Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

But even if gun availability actually made a difference, freedom would still be more important than saving lives.

That is racist nonsense.

But it is also off topic.

Fake news.

Yes.

But even if it were actually true, freedom is more important than saving lives.

Fake news.

The question of "whether people are murdered with guns versus murdered with some other kind of weapon" is pretty irrelevant.

Murder victims are equally as dead no matter what kind of weapon is used to kill them.

So the fact that most of our murderers use guns to do their killing with is interesting trivia perhaps, but it's really not a big deal.

As above, I don't really care.

Guns do not cause any deaths.

Murder victims would be just as dead if they were killed by some other kind of weapon.

Defensive shootings are a good thing, not a bad thing.

The fact that police carry guns instead of relying on pepper spray demonstrates that your claim is untrue.

 

I don’t know all the reasons for the disparity. I do know there are less than half the number of poor blacks than poor whites in the US. I also know the per capita homicide commission rate of blacks is eight times that of whites.

You and I have been over the identifiable reasons for the disparity before. It isn’t poverty.

 

My original point was that no govt, in the US, is going around taking peoples guns. Even those states that have banned “assault” rifles aren't confiscating banned guns.

 

You cannot demonstrate this to be true.
And you know it.

 

Does nothing of the sort. A valid comparison must take into consideration more than a single aspect that one wishes to argue.
And yes that comment was utterly stupid.

 

You say "America will never allow our freedom to be taken away" but where have I stated that is what I propose? I have mentioned nothing about taking our freedom away. I have simply stated that we need to control who gets guns and the type and amount of guns. This is not taking our freedom away. It is just keeping "proven" crazy and hate-filled people from getting guns and preventing anyone from getting an arsenal of guns and the type that can kill hundreds and thousands of people.

Do you actually support those people getting guns and an unlimited amount?

In addition, you say we don't have a problem here in the U.S. with killings with guns?

How do you explain this, then:



Or this:

 

New York City did it many years ago. They required rifles with pistol grips and flash suppressors to be registered. They mocked those who said that registration would be abused to seize people's guns. Then they outlawed those guns and used the registration lists to raid people's homes and seize their guns.

But more to the point, it doesn't matter if all these leftist states did was bar the sale of new guns with these features. That is still an unacceptable violation of our civil liberties.


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There is no such rule.

I suppose the question of "whether a comment is stupid" is an issue of opinion.

I find that the comment raised an incredibly good point, and did it well.


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I should clarify. Free people have the right to have guns.

People who do not have the right to have guns, are not free.

That is incorrect. Your proposal would abolish freedom.

Yes.

Some people collect guns as a hobby. There is no justification for limiting the number of guns that they can have.

And I'm sure that this label "crazy and hate-filled" will be applied to ordinary law abiding citizens.

I am unsure what you mean by a gun that can kill hundreds or thousands of people. Full auto weapons have been heavily restricted for some 90 years now.

Correct.

Well, I do see suicides as a problem.

It's not a problem that would justify violating or repealing the right to keep and bear arms. No problem could ever justify that.

But I'd like to see an anti-suicide measure that did NOT violate or repeal the right to keep and bear arms.

We are in the middle of an epidemic of copycat massacres.

Plus we as a society don't do nearly enough to help people who are suffering, and sometimes they snap and lash out.

Nothing much to explain. None of those murders are the result of guns to begin with.

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See post #869

US 1.2 guns per person, UK 0.05 per person.

 

do you admit that there are many good reasons for owning guns? most gun banners I have met never want to concede millions of hours of recreational enjoyment target shooters and hunters derive from firearms ownership each year. can someone claim that Firearms are less useful than say intoxicating beverages?

 

Yes, twice the poverty rate and 8 times the rate of homicide commission. It isn’t melanin and it isn’t poverty. So what is it? Blacks also own firearms at much lower rates than whites. Do it isn’t guns! What could it be?

 

she apparently admitted this fact

 

Can you provide a link proving your claim?

 

You post is self defeating. "Republicans" will never allow a change to 2A either. But, as you've pointed out, we have a broken society, we need to fix that to stop the violence.

 

Thank you for proving you can not demonstrate your claim to be true.

 

What? Did you stop reading #869 after a "hardened ideology is impervious to reason"?

Check out how the Swiss handle recreational gun use and what is you theory of the cause of the disparity?.

 

Florio did the same thing in NJ