Gun Control needs to be instituted

this is the USA and we have constitutional rights. plus we have the means to enforce our constitutional rights

 

Link?

 

you don't keep up on this topic?

 

Link please

 

Try this for starters. again I have questions about your real positions
https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/...0406_073-nj_gun_law_takes_aim_at_constitu.pdf

 

Here is another one
https://www.njspotlightnews.org/201...-guns-greatly-hampered-by-inaction-elsewhere/

New Jersey, however, also demands that any pre-ban assault guns that are kept must be rendered inoperable.

so you have to register the gun and break it. that sounds to be the same as confiscation-a law retroactively prohibits you from having a working firearm that you bought legally.

 

According to the link you provided the bill hadn’t even been voted on at the time of the article.
You question my position because I want people to be honest and back up what they claim? Hahaha….pound sand.

 

No, I read the disinformation you posted. Here are the two main pieces.

I quoted statistics showing neither are true. Violent crime is not proportional to poverty in the context of race. And blacks have far less firearms and an 8 times higher rate of homicide commission than whites.

I understand you have a hardened ideology impervious to facts. Carry on with that. It’s not lending credibility to your arguments.

 

that was thirty years ago-did you figure that out. it was passed


New Jersey, however, also demands that any pre-ban assault guns that are kept must be rendered inoperable.

 

As I recall, they allow it.

The Swiss government also issues full-auto rifles to Swiss militiamen (not for recreational use of course, but for purposes of national defense).


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Gun Owners of America refers to the incident. They also mention the SKS confiscations in California.

https://www.gunowners.org/fs2011b/

"1. New York City

* Registration. In the mid-1960’s officials in New York City began registering long guns. They promised they would never use such lists to take away firearms from honest citizens. But in 1991, the city banned (and soon began confiscating) many of those very guns.[xiii]

* Confiscation. In 1992, a New York City paper reported that, “Police raided the home of a Staten Island man who refused to comply with the city’s tough ban on assault weapons, and seized an arsenal of firearms. . . . Spot checks are planned [for other homes].”[xiv]

2. California

* Part 1. The Golden State passed a ban on certain semi-automatic firearms in 1989. Banned guns could be legally possessed if they were registered prior to the ban. [xv]

* Part 2. Having registered the firearms, the California Department of Justice issued a notice in 1999 to explain how more than 1,500 individuals in the state were in possession of illegal firearms—all of which were subject to forfeiture without compensation.[xvi]

* Part 3. Plans to confiscate firearms in California were leaked to the public in 1999, sending shock waves through the gun rights community. The document entitled “Relinquishment of Assault Weapons” stated: “Once the 90-day window of opportunity for turning in such assault weapons concludes, we will send each sheriff and police chief a listing of the affected individuals [who own banned firearms].”[xvii]"

 

Want to make a bet?

A) Criminals should be prevented from purchasing guns through background checks
B) VPC stands on its statistics and unless you can prove them wrong I.e. in a court of law (and gee why hasn’t the NRA taken these sites to court? Answer because they cannot litigate against FACT)
C) Do you have ANY evidence that the majority of shootings are done by “criminals” and by that I mean people with a criminal background.
D) Gun homicide has risen among children and teens - are you contending they are career criminals?
E) if there were fewer guns available then there is a a lower chance of the criminals being armed

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-recent-rise-in-violent-crime-is-driven-by-gun-violence/

BTW I did make a mistake in my original post I meant to write it is not ALL criminals

 

Okay, you asked, and I feel obliged to deliver. Are you willing to learn the "facts and the data"?
Here we go, as we all know how you appreciate the truth. Enjoy.

 

how many judges and law enforcement officers have been murdered in Mexico. there is only one gun store in all of Mexico.

 

VPC is one of the most dishonest POS organizations going. Criminals are prevented from buying guns but they are not prosecuted when they try to nor are straw purchasers prosecuted for buying guns for criminals. Many children engaged in felonious use of firearms are gang bangers. Gangs often use thugs under the age of 18 for violent crimes due to often more lenient sentences. if there were fewer legal guns available, criminals would still have them but honest people would have less-which is your real goal.

 

hard core gun banners refuse to admit there is any good reason to own guns. they generally get upset when we claim they are gun banners but when someone never admits there are valid reasons to own firearms and all the good things people do with firearms, it is pretty obvious they would ban guns if they could get away with it

 

Absolutely.

https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE...365077&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon~db137ec

And.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

And:

https://icjia.illinois.gov/research...ing-state-criminal-history-and-mortality-data

And:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...violence-chronic-repeat-offenders/ar-AA17I74r

Is it sinking in yet?

 

All the more odd you couldn’t find an article post vote. Very strange.

 

Wow! It’s like they will do or say anything to gain authoritarian power!

And we are supposed to trust the motives of these people that outright lie on a continual basis? Ummmm….no.

 

If you like, but I only make friendly bets with nothing at stake.

Meh.

Liars often do. And VPC are liars.

No. It is because people don't get sued for lying unless that lie has caused someone harm.

There is no fact in any of VPC's lies.

I believe there are statistics that show that most murders happen in inner-city ganglands.

Off hand I was able to find this:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7042a6.htm
https://blogs.cdc.gov/nchs/2021/10/22/6151/

Yes.

Meh. So what?

 

And I'm tired of people telling us guns aren't needed. And BTW....I, nor any other law abiding citizen, don't NEED guns...we WANT them. No different than how you WANT certain things.

 

So let me get this straight. If you are out of your mind crazy and hate everyone (and have not only said so, but proven it), you should be allowed to carry a gun? and of course, that means that they should be allowed to carry as many guns as they want, even firearms that can kill hundreds of people in a few minutes, right? All in the name of freedom?

The way I see that statement, is under the name of "freedom", we should all be allowed to anything we want until we do something that can actually put us in jail. Like for instance, go in and kill 19 children in a school. At that moment, freedom is no longer the key issue, right? There should be no restriction on what we can do (under the name of freedom). No rules, guidelines, or restrictions set that we need to follow as Americans, until we actually break a law. Is that correct?

 

We definitely have a "broken" society and for that, we need to depend on the ones that are "broken" (the Republicans) to fix it, right?. Somehow, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

 

I have never have stated that guns aren't needed or that we should not be allowed to have them. I have proposed that we restrict who can buy them and the amount and kind they should be allowed to have.

You yourself are stating "law-abiding citizens". I have been talking about restrictions on purchase of guns on those that have shown in the past a lack of control of their emotions and who have shown to be full of hate. In addition, there is absolutely no need for ANYONE to have weapons that have the ability to kill dozens of people in a few minutes. Those types of guns should not be allowed to be purchased by any one person.

 

Are you saying you want to restrict people who have a "bad temper" from being able to exercise their 2A right?

Are you saying even semi-auto hand guns should not be allowed to be purchased by anyone?

 

Yes.

The level of gun-related crime in the US proves background checks do not prevent criminals from getting guns.

VPC says around 100,000 guns are used for self-defense each hear in the US.
That's 10x more often than to commit murder
That's 5x more often than to commit suicide.

Prove his to be true.

Quantify this.