“TRUMP ASKED US TO GO HOME”; Video Re-Surfaces Of Jacob Chansley Urging Peace

Is your home a public building?

 

If he had said "shouldn't have probably withheld", you'd have a case

With what he said, you have no case... his claim is clear, and he cannot back it up...

You failed to help, but I'm sure he appreciates the effort...

 

@bx4... You gave that a like.... Did you get the reference without me having to give a full history lesson?

This is a real watershed moment for me, to see who has a basic history education and to see who doesn't....

 

Nah, you failed in basic reading comprehension.

 

The footage was also not withheld from Pezzola.

"The DOJ, in its filing, retorted that the footage was "not shocking, and it was not withheld from Pezzola (or Chansley, in any material respect, for that matter)."

Prosecutors said the televised footage only showed Chansley's movements from around 2:56 p.m. to 3 p.m., leaving out the moments Chansley breached a police line around 2:09 p.m., entered the Capitol building, and "faced off" with Capitol police members "for more than thirty minutes in front of the Senate Chamber doors while elected officials, including the Vice President of the United States, were fleeing from the chamber," the filing stated.

"Chansley then entered the Senate Gallery, where he proceeded to scream obscenities while other rioters rifled through the desks of US Senators," the DOJ wrote.

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-qanon-shaman-chansley-footage-out-of-context-elon-musk-2023-3

 

Really? OK.. I'll give you one more lesson, but that's it..

If I say "The Japanese probably shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor", does that mean I don't think the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor?

It means I don't think it was a good idea, not that it didn't happen.

Get it? I doubt it, but there's always hope...

 

Yes I did. November 6? Gunpowder plot.

 

Teaching is not your forte.

 

He pled guilty to what, something like interfering with an official proceeding? Or words to that effect at any rate.

If video shows him walking the halls of the Capital, alone, and for all practical purposes minding his business at the precise time he was allegedly interfering, I would say that absolutely is exculpatory to that charge. To a charge of trespassing, assuming the building was completely closed to anyone not on official business, it's not only not exculpatory, it's incriminating, but that's not what he was charged with, now is it?

You (and others) have said over and over and over again that the videos are not exculpatory, as though that was in indisputable and incontrovertible fact, but with 44,000 hours of video to go through, a task that would take one person working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year a full 21 years to complete, I cannot possibly imagine how you can conclude that with the absolute certainty that you have repeatedly expressed. I came up with but a single simple example that would turn your statement on its head, and while I'm not at all claiming that my hypothetical is true, I very much am saying that it is not impossible, while you maintain that there is no way, under any set of even extraordinary circumstances that buried somewhere in the middle of 44,000 hours of recordings, some exculpatory bit of evidence might be hiding.

Even simple logic tells me that you cannot conclude that by simply declaring it to be so, any more than I or anyone else can conclude that it does exist by making a similar declaration.

We don't know. I daresay that nobody knows with any absolute certainty, and that won't happen until someone, or multiple someones go through every minute of it, carefully documenting the time and location of not just horny dude, though he's been the focus of this conversation, but of any person in legal jeopardy who believes evidence may exist therein that would exonerate them.

You keep speaking to me as though I am some arm of a vast right-wing conspiracy to get people out of their criminal responsibility for their actions on 1/6/20, despite the fact that I've repeatedly said I do not care about that at all. It's true that I hold many conservative positions, especially when it comes to issues about taxation, money in general, free market capitalism, guns, Constitutional law, and individual liberties and responsibilities. I will say that I consider it sad that many of those are even considered to be 'conservative positions', as I believe that any American who believes in American values should hold the same. I also hold many positions that would be commonly thought of as liberal, like being pro-choice, agreeing with the Obergefell decision, both because of the Constitutional issues, but also because it was the right thing to do, and being largely anti-religion. I am also in favor of ending the war on drugs, which I would categorize as a liberal position, but it is so out there that even people who agree with me are afraid to say so publicly. You could have said that exact same thing about same-sex marriage just a decade or two ago, and today it's accepted as favorable by over 70% of all political flavors. But putting me into a neat little box is not an easy thing to do.

 

True... but I ususally have something to work with when I try...

No worries.. it's not all your fault... the school system deserves its share of the blame here...

 

I wonder if face recognize software can be used to comb through 44,000 hours of video and facilitate finding all footage involving Chansley. If so, it shouldn't be very difficult to find the evidence for or against Chensley. In any case there's no doubt that the prosecution withheld video evidence pertaining to his case. Even if it was only 30 seconds they had no right to withhold it.

 

But you did have something to work with. You just made a mess of it.

 

November 5th, but good enough...

I'm not sure if that should be categorized as a cultural reference or a historical reference, but I believe most Americans should have the basics on Guy Fawkes and bonfire celebrations against people who tried to overturn a government...

Unfortunately, nobody wants to have a bonfire (in the North) in early January, so we'll have to put an American spin on it...

How do you simulate breaking through a glass door to get shot in a fun way?

 

Then provide them.
I'm willing to bet that you can't.

 

Well, there is this.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/known...pro-trump-to-infiltrate-capitol-riot-sources/

 

And what will your post history say about your previous opinions on anonymous sources?

 

It doesn't matter. I only provided what was asked for.

 

You provided something that, according to your own post history, you don't think should be believed. Congrats.

 

I'm not the topic of the thread.

 

If your links aren't topical, why post them?

 

They were topical. You could have easily rebutted the claims made in the links but instead you're going after me for posting them.

 

An unnamed source that doesn't identify the people they are claiming are Antifa infiltrators.

An article, by the way, that ends with this paragraph, "A Washington Times report initially claimed two other protesters were actually Philadelphia-based Antifa members — citing a retired military officer with access to facial recognition software — but the outlet deleted the article after the software company told Buzzfeed News that the story was “outright false.” "

I asked for FACTS, you give us unnamed accusations.

 

I read the statement. It doesn't nullify what the NYP reported.

 

What the NYP "reported" doesn't verify your claim that there were Antifa/BLM infiltrators at the Capitol on 1/6

 

“So did a man named Ray Epps. In another bombshell at Revolver, Beattie noted that despite egging on protesters on both January 5 and 6, the government had not charged Epps with any offense. He is clearly seen on at least three occasions encouraging people to storm the Capitol. During a confrontation between Trump supporters and BLM/ Antifa activists at Black Lives Matter Plaza across from the White House late on January 5, Epps told Trump supporters what they need to do the next day. “We need to go in to the Capitol,” Epps, wearing a Trump hat, yelled, pointing east toward the building. “Peacefully!””

— January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right by Julie Kelly
https://a.co/5VBFNzN

“Still, I did not completely avoid the violence. I did not end up in any kind of altercation myself, but what I witnessed was shocking. Two groups had started to form on opposite sides of a crosswalk. There was roughly thirty on one side, mostly dressed in black with ski masks on, and maybe fifteen on the opposite side, some of them wearing flak jackets, all of them wearing some kind of Trump paraphernalia. On both sides were people standing further off, lingering, and people just trying to move through. I adjusted course to stay away, but slowed a bit to see what was going on. They were cussing at each other and taunting, but a good amount of police stood between them, around 20 officers. An older women, late fifties or early sixties, came from a side street and was skirting around the edge of conflict. She reached the far sidewalk, and a skinny man with his face covered came running and punched her in the side of the head. She fell, and the Trump supporters nearby gave chase to the ANTIFA thug. He ran towards the line of police! Not far from them, a Trump supporter managed to get a hand on him and throw him to the ground. A few others were rushing at him, but the police stepped forward and started pepper spraying and hitting the Trump supporters!”

— January 6: A Patriot's Story by Nathaniel Matthews
https://a.co/8XmBTqb


“Munn’s comments directly contradict what will later be said by Chief Sund. “I need to tell you all that the media is LYING TO YOU… the DC police opened up on a small group climbing the scaffolding, with gas grenades… the concussions rippled through the crowd… which only ignited the crowd and patriots began chanting ‘they are stealing our country’ and ‘press forward’ as they were carrying the wounded out through us. The only damage to the capital [sic] building was several windows and sets of doors. Nothing inside the capital was damaged. As for the shooting, I did not see it but I can tell you, patriots NEVER made it to the chamber. There was no violence in the capital building, the crowd was NOT out of control… they were ANGRY!!! The media wasn’t even there, never saw any media or police… the vast majority of the crowd was heading back down Constitution and Pennsylvania avenues by 5pm, with virtually no police presence, as Antifa began marching through the middle of us towards the capital. They are now calling this and [sic] insurrection…?””

— January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right by Julie Kelly
https://a.co/cH3yUwz