Tucker Carlson starts to divulge the Capitol video tapes

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  1. Overitall

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    Or a finger.
     
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    That is their job... they failed, no excuse..
     
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    My goodness BB.... do you know where this narrative would go if Trump had DARED send in troops that day... Remember we had the biggest traitor in the group, and boy did this traitor play it to the end... MILITARY COUP, MILITARY COUP, MILITARY COUP.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-milley-trump-general-nazis-hitler_n_60efa264e4b022142cf4e3a9
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ge...ould-try-use-military-stay-office-2020-report
    https://worldbeyondwar.org/what-if-donald-trump-is-willing-to-use-force-to-stay-in-power/
    https://headtopics.com/us/top-gener...-in-power-compared-him-to-nazis-book-20940049
    https://archive.is/I3fHm
    https://archive.is/ftqSp


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    yep, the Trump admin failed, and he failed again after it started by doing nothing

    and the call for his action did not even come at 2am
     
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    Security of the Capitol is the job of the CP and overseers Pelosi and ilk.... they failed... no excuse.
     
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    MILITARY COUP, MILITARY COUP, MILITARY COUP.
     
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    Then we should find out who has ordered police to stand behind flimsy bike racks or even stand down while rioters are actively violating he law.

    When violent mobs riot in the streets why are the arrested rioters being released? At least one rioter in Ferguson MO was arrested and released twice in 24 hours.
    Violent riots can only occur when the police and the justice system aids and abets the criminals involved.

    “But when you're arrested three times -- twice in one 24-hour cycle -- after driving more than 800 miles to take part in sometimes violent demonstrations, eventually people are going to ask: "Why are you here?"
    KSDK, NBC NEWS, Meet the Texan arrested 3 times in Ferguson, By Pat McGonigle, KSDK 8 a.m. CDT August 25, 2014.
    http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...otesters-billy-moreno-texas-arrests/14493445/
     
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    Trump was responsible for calling off his supporters
     
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    Waco.
     
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    Perhaps you heard nothing about Joe Biden and the Democrats "stealing" the 2020 Presidential election, through fraud?


    Except that:
    1) FOX is the top news, in the ratings.
    2) There is a vast difference, between a news outlet blending two facts together-- that one person was pummelled with a fire extinguisher, and that another person died-- and a "news" outlet, pedalling pure fantasy about rigged voting machines, and trucks full of fake ballots. If you can't see the difference, there's not much more I can say.
     
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    Well, our entrenched corrupt bipartisan ruling political class has been working hard to encourage more political violence. They usually get what they want eventually.
     
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    In fact, DP politicians and the MSM believe elections and voting machines are rigged whenever they think they might lose an election.
     
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    You need to be a subscriber to HBO Max. It has been available there for over a year.
     
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    From this video, my description of the incident as a "pummelling," was incorrect: the extinguisher was only thrown at the officer, at the end of this, less than 2 minute video. But other action, also gives a flavor of the event. Notice many others, using flag poles as clubs. Just before the fire extinguisher is thrown, one protester races into the back of an officer, and shoves him into a concrete barricade.





    Here it is, in slow motion, at the start of the video:




    Now this is a different incident, of a person throwing a fire extinguisher, at the police, after first staying it at them until he's emptied it. This is shown at the very start of the video.




    At the article below, there is a 30 second, highlight video, you might prefer, since it's too quick to get any overall sense, of the context.

    https://www.usatoday.com/videos/new...xtinguisher-thrown-police-officer/6629347002/
     
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    He was in DC that day. He told his traitors to march to the Capitol and fight like hell. Again, how do you not know any of this? LOL
     
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    IOW, a throw and a miss.
    Do you have a list identifying all those who committed some kind of battery on J6? I have yet to see one.
     
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    You buying?.... that is the only way I would waste your money on that movie.... maybe you could throw in a subscription to WaPo so I won't bother reading that garbage either...
     
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    Yes, I had originally written "many months," but then I saw that YOU were editing down your own argument, to 14 days, in which you claim 19 deaths due to these protests (remember?). So, FYI, what I was doing, was matching my reply, to your argument, using the same metric. You might want to try it, sometime.
     
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    It is the OVERALL effect of the gathering, and its point of focus. Had a George Floyd protest marched directly to the local Walmart, at which point, some started breaking windows, and a bunch of them ran in, injured employees and security, and looted the place, while the throng outside, buffered the looters, from facing police reinforcement, then guess what? The media would not call that, a "mostly peaceful protest."
     
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    Why is wanting to know why the Police walking with that shaman dipshit a waste of money? I know reds, such as yourself, pretend that what happened J6 was just a tourist visit and are desperate to have that day removed from our History, but that will never happen as the entire planet saw what those dipshits did in the name of their traitorous hero, trump.

    Also, HBO has tons of other great programs besides their documentaries.
     
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    There is absolutely no doubt that if Trump didn't invite his traitorous mental midget dipshits to the Capitol that day and tell them to march to the Capitol and fight like hell, what happened J6 would have not happened.

    If traitorous trump was sooooooooooooooo concerned about his idiots he invited to DC that day were gonna start a riot, why didn't he simply cancel his rally of lies? Anyone with two active brain cells knows this answer already.
     
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    How many instances has the National Guard been called in to stop trespassers?

    your argument is ****ing ridiculous.
     
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    That is clearly a claim, worthy of FOX. This is, I'm sure, not a common charge, coming baselessly, from Dem politicians/MSM, the way one so often hears it now, coming from the Right. I take it, you have examples, to back up your allegation (and will supply them)?
     
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    You're blowing the impact on Germany completely out of proportion.

    But first let's go back to Trump's words: He told Germany they would become "TOTALLY DEPENDENT" on Russian energy if they didn't change course. Germany has never been, never will be, and never could be 'totally dependent' on Russian gas. And, unlike the US, Germany has been working on becoming carbon neutral by 2045. That's why they laughed at Trump.

    And, you make it sound like the 'warning' by Trump was all Trump's idea. Do you really believe Trump, one who's not known to be a 'reader', knows anything about European geopolitics other than what he's told? He had to be coached by his advisers, and also uses speech writers.

    I don't think the Germans would take someone like Trump seriously anyway, as Germany's NATO partners have been warning about Russian energy for years. If they didn't listen to their neighbors, nor heed the red flags, why would they listen to Trump? Plus, why would anyone listen to a person like Trump who calls himself the "debt King" and who, before his presidency, blew through his $400 million inheritance & bankrupted 6 corporations, and then as president added $7.8 trillion to his nation's debt. The $107 billion cost to the German economy following the Ukraine invasion pales in comparison to that kind of debt.

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    Now let's see how Germany has fared since the invasion:

    The "We Were Wrong" article you posted is outdated (June 2022). This would be around the time Gazprom began diminishing supplies to Germany, so of course it would've shaken things up & even caused momentary panic - no different than the shake up in the US when gas prices abruptly spiked 21 years ago (under little Bush) & continued to steadily rise. And it's still high in the US! What's our excuse?

    Yes, Germany had been partially dependent on Russian gas, so losing a cheaper energy source & having to pay more for energy from another source & to re-organize energy production & supply will naturally cause an economic tremor----but not an earthquake. What did Germany have to do? It had to bite the bullet and import gas from other nations & pay more for it (eg, LNG), temporarily increase coal energy, extend operations of its nuke plants, institute & promote conservation measures, as well as ramp up its already existing renewable energy sources. Did this mean Germany would sink? Not even close.

    With that said, you're ignoring Germany's progress since. And I can see why you would. It doesn't help your argument. So let's see how Germany is doing now.

    Key Points:

    * The energy crisis has slowed economic growth in Germany, as rising energy prices put a damper on industrial production and inflation means citizens will buy less. But Europe's largest economy held up surprisingly well at the end of 2022, leading the government to expect it will dodge a widely expected recession. The government forecasts that inflation will slow to 6.0 percent in 2023 from 7.9 percent last year.

    * Renewables provided 46.9 percent of Germany’s electricity consumption in 2022 (up from 41% in 2021). Germany saw the highest renewables share in electricity use to date in 2020 at 45.2 percent.

    * The war in Ukraine and the growing energy prices have cost the German economy about 2.5% of its GDP. While the impact was milder than expected, the country still faces a minor recession. Looking ahead, the Bundesbank said German economic output was likely to decline slightly on average in 2023, but that it was expected to do a little better than the 0.5% fall in GDP predicted in December.

    * Ongoing goals - Germany is aiming to be carbon neutral by 2045.

    POWER

    * LNG - Germany has leased four floating storage and regasification units (FSRUs) to quickly start importing liquefied natural gas (LNG) directly and replace Russian volumes. More recently Germany started installing floating terminals that allow it to import liquified natural gas (LNG) by ship. “In infrastructure language, it was lightning speed,” Said Julia Friedlander, CEO of the nonprofit Atlantik-Brücke. (Rather than years, the facilities were built in 200 days!)

    * Coal - Germany has passed a law to bring back oil- and coal-fired power plants into the country's energy mix in case of a critical gas supply situation. This could add 10 gigawatts of reserve capacity on an interim basis in a deal that runs until March 31, 2024. To bring down the use of gas power plants, the country is temporarily reviving coal units that had already been retired, or were earmarked for decommissioning.

    * Nukes - Germany has postponed its exit from nuclear energy by around three months, by keeping its remaining three operating nuclear plants on the grid until April 2023. These account for 6% of the country's power mix.

    * Gas storage - The total storage level in Germany is 64.35%. A refilling level of 100% could be possible on Oct. 1, 2023, exceeding a legal requirement of 85% at that stage, INES said. Two variables will determine how easily the target can be met: 1) liquified natural gas (LNG) supply, and 2) the nature of demand reductions.

    * Conservation - The government urged citizens to save energy, ordered savings in public institutions, and helped to fill gas storages in order to avoid shortfalls in the winter, which are considered increasingly unlikely. In response to the crisis, Germany's gas consumption dropped 18 percent in 2022. Household demand for low emission heating systems such as heat pumps has risen strongly in response to the crisis, challenging the dominance of gas-fired heating systems in German homes.

    * Rationing - Network regulator BNetzA, which would be in charge of rationing, is collecting data from around 2,750 companies to determine gas usage and draw up a list of which sectors would have to be switched off first. BNetzA has said it is trying to put together a shutdown list for industry based on six criteria, which include a company's size, economic damage, and how long it would take to restart specific facilities.

    * Renewable energy - Renewables provided 46.9 percent of Germany’s electricity consumption in 2022.
    The war has re-energized efforts to shift away from fossil fuels towards renewables, which have been dubbed “freedom energies.” Many experts and the government hope that while the crisis might result in a short-term increase in emissions, it will ultimately speed up the energy transition. Germany’s overall energy transition and emission reduction targets remain in place. Despite the short-term increase of coal use, the government is still planning to pull the country’s coal exit forward, “ideally” to 2030, from the currently legislated end date of 2038. Environmentalists warn the government’s large LNG infrastructure investments could cement fossil-fuel dependency. German industry has said it plans to stick to its existing decarbonisation targets despite the challenges posed by the energy crisis.

    FISCAL POLICIES

    * Rescue measures - Germany has responded to the crisis with a whole series of relief packages for households and businesses, which have continuously grown in size and scope. However, as market prices have decreased again, the government might have to spend much less on subsidies than planned.
    * Levies - Germany has imposed two levies - one to help fund the higher gas procurement costs which importers are facing to replace Russian gas, and one to beef up efforts to fill the country's storage facilities. The gas levy will cost an average family of four an additional 480 euros a year (~$40/month) based on annual consumption of 20,000 kilowatt hours, while another 13 euros come on top due to the gas storage levy.
    * Bailouts - The government has agreed a 15 billion euros bailout for Uniper (UN01.DE), Germany's largest importer of Russian gas, to ensure it can continue to operate and fulfil its contracts (this was in August before complete loss of Russian gas).
    * Retail - To protect consumers somewhat, Germany announced a sales tax reduction for a limited period, which will cost the state 10 billion euros.
    * Labor - There are concerns that a lack of skilled workers will become a major obstacle to rapid energy transition progress. The government plans reforms to the country's immigration law aimed at filling tens of thousands of vacant energy transition jobs.

    OTHER

    * Julia Friedlander, CEO of the nonprofit Atlantik-Brücke, said the war supercharged infrastructure plans that would have taken years.
    * The weather also cooperated. A warm winter has also let Germany “stock up” on natural gas, and in the meantime, allowed the country to remake how it sources gas – without Russia.
    * Policymakers, consumer protection groups, and social care services warned that the energy price hike could result in social hardships and even unrest if households are overburdened. But so far, protests have remained limited in scope and scale, and mainly limited to regions notorious for their rejection of government policies.
    * Most citizens blame the energy price hike on external factors such as the pandemic and the war on Ukraine, and generally approve of the government’s handling of the crisis, according to surveys. They also say that they are ready to contribute to energy savings. But rising prices have become the biggest concern for a vast majority of the population.
    * Ukraine offers to store Europe's gas reserves. Ukraine maintains 12 underground gas storage facilities with a total capacity of about 31 billion cubic meters. Those facilities, which have been underutilized for years, will also be opened for foreign companies to store their gas for delivery to Europe.
    * European Union governments tentatively agreed Friday, Feb. 3, 2023, to set a $100-per-barrel price cap on sales of Russian diesel to coincide with an EU embargo on the fuel — steps aimed at ending the bloc's energy dependence on Russia and limiting the money Moscow makes to fund its war in Ukraine.
     
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    As to your video, the German economist Steffen Muller downplayed the severity of the energy crunch, saying, "We are far away from a bankruptcy wave." Germany's ability to quickly re-organize & meet its economic & energy needs since has proven Muller to have been accurate.

    Regarding bankrupties, Muller outlined the following:

    * When asked about the connection between higher energy prices and insolvencies and whether artificially capping gas prices could positively impact this, Muller stated that it's hard to make a connection between the two because the number of bankruptcies among energy intensive (industrial) firms is relatively low at the moment, but there are quite a few bankruptcies in retail which is not an energy intensive sector. And added he would not expect to see a big influence from energy cost cuts.

    * Some of the post-pandemic bankruptcies reflect bankruptcies that were postponed by pandemic-era rescue measures & subsidies.

    * Some of the numbers came from the many firms that adopted a wait-and-see position during the pandemic to see if they would be viable after the pandemic.

    Muller stated that rising energy costs are mostly hitting the energy intensive/industrial sector, but indirectly the retail sector due to reduced consumer demand.
    But this isn't the entire story he said. There is also:

    * Rising interest rates, which particularly impacts weaker firms. So borrowing money & refinancing is more costly.

    * A sharp increase in wages, including a 14% increase in minimum wage.

    * Entering a recession leads to lower demand.


    SOURCES used in my previous post (in case you're interested) which I couldn't fit in due to text limits.

    Transition state of play – Germany is emerging from the energy crisis
    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/germany-net-zero-transition-energy-crisis

    Ukraine war costs Germany's economy €100 billion
    https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-costs-germanys-economy-100-billion/a-64768176

    Ukraine war: How Germany ended reliance on Russian gas
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63709352

    Germany sets renewable power record in 2022, but is off-track for 2030 target
    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany-sets-renewable-power-record-2022-track-2030-target

    Germany takes new steps to tackle the energy crisis
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/08/energy-crisis-germany-europe/

    German gas storage operators optimistic for current, next winter
    https://www.reuters.com/business/en...rs-optimistic-current-next-winter-2023-02-09/

    Ukraine wants to store Europe's strategic gas reserves
    https://coffeeordie.com/ukraine-strategic-gas-reserves/

    Preparing for the next winter: Europe’s gas outlook for 2023
    https://www.bruegel.org/policy-brief/european-union-gas-survival-plan-2023

    Current status of gas supply in Germany
    https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/EN/Areas/Energy/SecurityOfSupply/GasSupply/start.html

    I didn't say or imply the loss of cheap Russian gas wouldn't have a negative impact, only that Germany has never been, and never will be 'totally dependent' (as Trump insisted) on Russian energy. It's a temporary economic setback for Germany.

    With that said, German politicians may have bent too much to the will of big business (like they do in the US). Ernst Buchow who owns a German brick business said, "It's not just the politicians' fault. Industry wanted the Russian gas contracts."

    But the Germans are a very innovative & resourceful people & endured (and instigated) two major world wars. They'll get through this and be better off than they were before the Ukraine war. I see this as the push Germany needed to get stronger on expanding its already growing green/sustainable energy sector - as its environmental movement/Green party had been pushing for for decades. LNG & coal are temporary measures to weather the storm, and not intended to become Germany's mainstay. This event will only make it more certain that Germany will achieve its carbon neutrality goal by 2045.

    The real mistake Germany made is not in relying too much on Russian gas, but relying too much on fossil fuels - period! In fact, this is the biggest mistake most nations in the world (particularly the US) are making. Note that Trump is anti-environment & anti-renewable energies. So yes, Trump is stooopid.

    Whatever you like.
     

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