Here's your chance..

Criminals were already concealing guns without permits because by nature they don't pay attention to laws anyways.

Other states have done the same thing in the past that Florida recently did so it should be easy for you to demonstrate some increase in criminals carrying guns.

All this does is remove and unconstitutional infringement that should have never been enforced to begin with

 

By arming people without a background check or training? You call that an advantage? To whom? How will the state now find out if the person buying the gun is not some looney that thinks that the people at Walmart are all evil and need to be liquidated?

 

How can you call that a positive. How is the state to know if the person buying the gun is not some proven looney that in the past stated on Facebook that the people at Walmart are all evil people wanting to see America be defeated?

 

You do know that Florida did not eliminate background checks don't you? There is still a 3-day waiting period after having to produce identification to buy a gun from a retailer where they run your name through the national database

 

LOL -- The criminals will always have a gun, legally or illegally. You think because they can't obtain a legal permit that will stop them from having a gun? Laws are for the honest people. But now any honest person can arm themselves against the criminal. That is a good thing. And hopefully it will remove a few more criminals from society.
Why do liberals refuse to admit criminals will always have guns while they want the rest of us to walk around unarmed?

 

And Florida still has stop and frisk

What is the stop and frisk law in Florida?
Florida's Stop and Frisk Law. § 901.151(2), Fla. Stat., codified level two encounters. The statute authorizes officers to temporarily detain an individual when the circumstances reasonably indicate the person committed, is committing, or is about to commit a criminal offense.
https://criminaldefenseattorneytampa.com › ...
Attorney on Florida's Stop and Frisk Laws in Section 901.151

 

You might find this interesting reading material.

If you carry a gun you're required to carry ID and produce it upon request.

 

The police must have probable cause that a crime has taken, or is taking place in order to stop any person and require them to produce ID. Simply noticing they have a firearm, in a state where carrying firearms is legal, is not probable cause, and the person can simply refuse to identify himself and walk away.

We all have the presumption of innocence, the 5A right to remain silent, and the 4A right to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures. Exercising of a constitutional right cannot be elevated to reasonable suspicion of a crime.

 

But for all the naysayers all you really need to do is post the statistics of any constitutional carry state which is to say a state that allows open carry or concealed carry with no permit.

It should be easy to demonstrate how firearm laws changing to allow constitutional carry resulted in an immediate and obvious increase of firearms being criminally used.

If all of the hysterical hyperbole being claimed is true then it should be exactly no problem to demonstrate it.

 

There are plenty of other states that have enacted the same law or even looser so-called constitutional carry making it legal to open or concealed carry, a number of years ago.

How much time is required to compile any data?

 

Please educate yourself. This law has no effect on the federal law requiring background checks on purchases.

How can you all be so ill informed and expect ANY credibility in these discussions? Of what value are opinions based on verifiably false information?

 

The law will benefit legal gun owners who are no longer required to jump through hoops just to have one of their fundamental constitutional rights.

So what would have been probable cause before to require someone to produce a concealed carry permit?

 

What does that have anything to do with what I said? Bottom line is that you can now carry a gun without having a permit for it. It means that anyone can now get a gun and carry it with him/her. Where is the benefit to that. Answer that question!

 

Not that much different than a politician who panders to the anti-gun zealots.
I see no logical reason the law-abiding must register to carry a concealed weapon. They've already went through the bells and whistles and background checks that proves they can legally own firearms. That should be enough.

 

What does that have anything to do with what I said? Bottom line is that you can now carry a gun without having a permit for it. It means that anyone can now get a gun and carry it with him/her. Where is the benefit to that. Answer that question!

 

I have pretty much read most of the law and while Im not a lawyer, I believe the provision is for Consititional carry and not open carry. 'Flashing' a firearm...carrying a concealed firearm that becomes visible...I believe is justification for an officer to conduct an investigation. That means they cant randomly stop people but CAN investigate if they actually see a firearm. No checking of backpacks and fanny packs, but they could ask a citizen questions if they actually see the firearm.

This isnt anyones first rodeo. These types of laws have been around for about 4 decades. Not much is really changing except people dont need to have a permit. A law abiding citizen wont be a threat. A criminal wouldnt have followed the law in the first place.

 

Hi, FatBack.

Speaking as a statistician, which was a significant part of my professional work in quality assurance, the amount of time needed for sufficient data to make statistically valid statements to be accumulated depends upon the complexity of the factors involved, The numerous questions which can be asked about guns in the United States of America, given the social forces, laws, their enforcement, pressures upon legislators, etc., precludes an easy answer.

Sorry 'bout that.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

It has been pointed out to you repeatedly that not just anyone can get a gun.... At least legally and this law changes not one thing about that.

To buy a gun from a retailer you are still required to produce identification and there will be a three-day waiting period as your identification is ran through the FBI's database.

And if it is illegal for you to have a gun to begin with it remains illegal for you to conceal one

 

Nonetheless, what this law does, is give people that want to have a gun (but cannot qualify for it), MORE OF AN ABILITY to carry it with them (if they bought one illegally) than not. Where is the benefit to that?

 

Nonetheless, what this law does, is give people that want to have a gun (but cannot qualify for it), MORE OF AN ABILITY to carry it with them (if they bought one illegally) than not. Where is the benefit to that?

 

The same benefit any citizen would receive with a CCW license, without having to jump through the governments hoops in order to do so. Which also means no scumbag piece of **** leftist will be able to 'out' CCW permit holders.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/ccw-permit-sutter-county-sheriff-alert-sf-chronicle/

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/n...ncealed-carry-permit-holders-names-addresses/

See...its ALWAYS the same. Scumbag piece of **** leftists have looked for ways to subvert the rights of law abiding citizens and mindless leftist pieces of **** cheer them on.

 

Nobody who posts here or Governor DeSantis is FOR criminals carrying guns. Criminals are going to carry without the government's permission. Criminals would not seek permits to carry concealed weapons because for them, owning, possessing and carrying is already illegal.

This legislation is FOR the law-abiding citizens who have already passed background checks. Your argument is a bloated strawman. There's your answer.

I look forward to your rebuttal.

 

I was answering your assertion that, before this law, police could stop anyone they see carrying a firearm and require them to ID. They must have reasonable suspicion that crime is afoot before that can happen.

Requiring a permit to exercise a right is unconstitutional. There is your benefit.

 

No. Only people who meet the requirements to obtain a Cc permit are allowed to carry under this law. Anyone prohibited from getting a Cc license in Florida based on criminal history, drug abuse, etc. is prohibited from carrying under this law.

Please educate yourself. Start with post #7 in this thread.

 

What about bright blue states? LOL