Tennessee GOP Expels 2 BLACK Democratic Lawmakers

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  1. Pred

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    Act like thugs get treated like thugs. And thug has nothing to do with their color. But when we’ve got politicians who are less and less qualified to hold office, much less any job, you’re going to have people who don’t know how to act with civility.

    Just look at Jamaal Bowman screaming in DC. What a moron.
     
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    Trump influence.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    So insurrection is OK now?
     
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    You do know the white woman did not pick up the bullhorn and only just stood and she and her lawyer made that defense that she did not urge on the rioters. So why should she have been expelled, only because she is white?
     
  5. Yulee

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    They are duly elected representatives as voted by the citizens of their district who did not try to overthrow the government. They were lawfully on the grounds. Stop with the dishonest claim. I notice he Republicans are ok with the TN lawmaker an ex teacher accuse of raping his students still being seated.

    But this action by the TN majority is going to help Dems keep WH. Likely going to return the house to them too.
     
  6. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm sure that your vocabulary, as well as Turtledude's (who'd used the term "thug," to refer to the black, Tennessee House Representative) would not find it difficult to come up with a different word, which would be a better choice, since it would not be saddled with the implied racism of the word "thug," in that particular situation. To be clear, when a black person is truly acting like a thug-- for example, beating and/or robbing someone-- I have no objections to its use, nor cannot see how any reasonable person could. But being disruptive, or using a bullhorn, would not typically be considered the actions of a "thug." That word implies criminality. There is no excuse, other than wanting to imply that blacks are criminals, by nature, to insist on severely stretching that word to use it, when one is aware of its racist overtones, applied to a black person.

    When one uses language, they should wish to have a their meaning understood, as intended. Using that word, in this situation, is begging for someone to misinterpret it. IOW, it would be a stupid thing to do, on purpose, if one did not want the word to be thought of, with any racial connotations.


    What is so ironic is that I had numerous members here, on the Right, object to my use of the dig, of calling someone a "Karen," saying it was racist against whites. Also, I got even stronger blowback, after using the term "white trash," so that I actually respected the feelings of you conservatives, even though I had been using the word in it's true sense. After all that thin-skinned sensitivity, this insistence on using "thug," to describe a black man with (in all likelihood) no criminal record, in a circumstance in which he was not exhibiting any physical aggression, I would call the epitome of hypocrisy-- except, then, I would have my post deleted, and would need come up with a less insulting word. I hope you will understand my meaning, catching my intended implication, of that last example.
     
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  7. Bluesguy

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    And they led an insurrection. Duly elected and duly removed for their egregious behavior against the legislature. I hope they learned a little about proper decorum.

    Why do you now support insurrection and obstructing official procedure and members having to be evacuated?
     
  8. Yulee

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    Did they try to overthrow the government? No! While the Jan 6 should be tried and penalized as the treasonous criminals they are, these elected officials should have been censured.
     
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  9. DEFinning

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    Good question-- you tell me, then, why 65 Republican members of the TN House did vote to expel her. She missed expulsion, by only two votes. Maybe what so incensed, that many of her Republican colleagues, was that she had been standing together with, and supporting the two black members? Just a possibility; but I will compare its likelihood to whatever explanation you can think of, that 65 out of 75 Repubs thought Gloria Johnson did deserve to be expelled, even though, as you point out, she "did not pick up the bullhorn and only just stood and she and her lawyer made that defense that she did not urge on the (protestors)."*







    * Note that above, is my main point, in the argument over, true or not, the patina of racism which is glaringly visible, in the public optics of this event. If you had any counter argument to that idea, you should provide it, regardless of whether or not you decide to reply to this, mere aside, below.

    As someone who objected to calling those who actually
    did attack the U.S. Capitol, "insurrectionists," it is inconsistent of you, to try to call "rioters," the Tennessee group who, to anyone, were clearly protesters. You do recognize, I hope, that there is absolutely no equating, of the two instances, and so groups of people? IOW, if these people in Tennessee are your idea of "rioters," that would make that word far insufficient, to cover the J6 crowd.
     
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    They led an insurrection against an act of the legislature and obstructed an official proceeding. They were just as "treasonous" against their state.
     
  11. Yulee

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    Nope. You can keep trying, but your failure will be the same. Also, they were invited to the TN statehouse. They had permission to be there.
     
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    The only difference between the two events is the letter R and D. The Rs were insurrectionists, while the Ds were peaceful protesters according to leftists.
     
  13. Yulee

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    Except the little fact that the folks on Jan 6th were trying to overthrow our government. The Nashville protesters were invited and just wanted heard. No plans to overthrow their representatives.

    Also, I do believe most of the folks on Jan 6 were not there to overthrow. I’m speaking of the select few who were. And they were for sure hoping to do so.
     
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    BS! They were trying to change the outcome of the election.
    They were invited to disrupt the proceedings? I doubt that.
    So what was their point?
    Those select few were idiots if they had thought they could overthrow the government. Three branches of government and 50 states stood in their way. Along with the world's strongest military. What chance did they have against that?
     
  15. Yulee

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    The plans to have our congress not certify Joe Biden’s win is 100% an attempt to overthrow the executive branch. Period
     
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    This plan has been carried out in the past even by Democrats. Sorry, your narrative is simply wrong.
     
  17. Yulee

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    It has NOT
     
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    Check your history. This information has been covered before.
     
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    Per Joe Biden himself, it takes F16s and nukes to overthrow the government. No joke.
     
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    Hmmmm......reminds me of the mastermind of 1/6/21.
     
  21. Yulee

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    No it hasn’t. I look forward to your link of citizens entering the capitol to force the VP to not certify the election. I won’t hold my breath.
     
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    You should pay better attention to what is actually said. Details make all the difference between making on point responses and what you did here.
     
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    No. You made the claim “ it happened before” in a discussion about J6. It has never.
     
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    That was her defense and why she didn't get expelled and then she goes on CNN and MSNBC and calls them a bunch of racist because she wasn't expelled. Liar!
     
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    I just wanted to include some numbers on the racial profile of the Tennessee Assembly. I will mention that the numbers I have got in different searches have varied slightly. For example, the last time I'd looked, the link had said 23 Dems (+2 expelled= 25?) and 75 Republicans, for 98 or 100 members, in their Assembly's House of Representatives. My current Google search, however, gives a total of 99 Representatives, apparently not adjusted for expulsions, with 26 Democrats and 73 Republicans. This is worth noting because, if accurate, would mean that only one Republican member of the House did not vote for the expulsion of Rep. Jones (and 4 did not vote to expel Pearson). For those who've asked me how many black Republicans voted to expel, I am going to continue to guess none, surmising that this one no-vote may be the only black Republican, in that chamber. There are a total of 12 black members of the Tennessee House of Representatives; and there are 3 more in the Tennessee Senate, which has 34 members: 27 Republicans, 6 Democrats, and 1 Independent.

    Lastly, I'll point out that 15 black members (12+3) out of 133 Assemblymen (99+34) is about 11.28%, which is less than half of the 27% of Tennessee legislators, who constitute the non-white portion, according to my search, below.
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    *Seventy-three percent of state legislators are White/Caucasian. There are 3 Black/African-American members in the Tennessee State Senate, and 12 Black/African-American members in the Tennessee House of Representatives.
    https://cypp.rutgers.edu › tennessee
    The Tennessee State Legislature - Center for Youth Political Participation
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    The 112th General Assembly Senate is composed of 27 Republicans, and 6 Democrats, elected to four-year terms, one Independent serving an interim term.

    The 112th General Assembly House of Representatives is composed of 73 Republicans and 26 Democrats elected in even-numbered years to two-year terms.
    https://www.capitol.tn.gov › about
    About the Tennessee Legislature
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